Game Economy

joker7702 · 06-27-2020, 09:37 AM

It seems to be a well accepted fact that the live collection mission cards provide upgrades worthy of price points two or three times as high. Why has the prices of cards at a similar or lower level to them not dropped closer to their level. For example 96 Kiner vs. 96 Williams (who I chose for having the same overall and similar hitting profiles)
Kiner: CON 88/GAP 53/POW 128/EYE 73/AVOID K 54/STE 9/LF 53
Williams: CON 84/GAP 76/POW 119/EYE 99/AVOID K 58/STE 6/LF 42
L7 Price: Kiner for 6,888, Williams for 32,999
I can see why someone might prefer Williams with the eye and gap, but I do not see a 26k pp difference.

mayday10 · 06-27-2020, 10:00 AM

Missions maybe

bailey · 06-27-2020, 10:04 AM

Kiner is extremely common and that hurts his value. Williams is far harder to get, if you want him. L7 often means the last sale price because only 1 was sold in the last 7 days. Just because the last customer paid a high price doesn't mean you have to, or that you will get that price if you have one to sell.

joker7702 · 06-27-2020, 10:28 AM

Yeah, but the all time prices were similar

Catchthedamnball · 06-27-2020, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by joker7702

Yeah, but the all time prices were similar

Ken Williams started out cheap because, as you noted, he's not 26k better than Kiner in terms of pure value. Kiner is easy to acquire (just complete the mission) which is why his price is low, and Williams was included as a lockable card for SE Whitaker. Ergo, his price goes up.

in general, average all time sale price isn't indicative of corrections of perceived value or a spike in demand because that card is now included in a collection. So in the case of Ken Williams, it's not very useful.

joker7702 · 06-28-2020, 09:46 AM

I should have specified that it is Ted Williams, and is not in any collections. I did not realize that there was another 96 named Williams.

QuantaCondor · 06-28-2020, 09:56 AM

It's hard to overstate how common the SEs from the live sets are. There are an ungodly amount of those floating around; it doesn't make any sense to try to compare them when there are so many copies of SE Kiner and not nearly as many copies of nonlive diamonds.

Also, diamond Ted had (1) some value as a speculative buy recently (2) is Ted Williams and has name recognition (3) is a clearly stronger card. Add that to the ridiculous deflation of live collections SEs, and I think both are very fairly priced relative to the different factors at work.

allenciox · 07-01-2020, 05:54 PM

Fair isn't really the question here. Prices in a market are purely determined by the laws of supply and demand. If there are more copies of a card available than there is demand for that card, the price will drop. If there are fewer copies than there is demand, the price will rise.

What determines supply and demand are the critical questions here. Some players just want Ted Williams because of the name, or because they want to get a complete set of cards, or whatever, not just what their abilities are.

SE cards are never going to cost much more than the cost to complete the collection for a prolonged period. For Live collections in particular, the cost is cheap and the supply is limitless because of the ready availability of live cards (70% of the cards in packs are live).

06-27-2020, 09:37 AM	#1
joker7702 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 43	Game Economy It seems to be a well accepted fact that the live collection mission cards provide upgrades worthy of price points two or three times as high. Why has the prices of cards at a similar or lower level to them not dropped closer to their level. For example 96 Kiner vs. 96 Williams (who I chose for having the same overall and similar hitting profiles) Kiner: CON 88/GAP 53/POW 128/EYE 73/AVOID K 54/STE 9/LF 53 Williams: CON 84/GAP 76/POW 119/EYE 99/AVOID K 58/STE 6/LF 42 L7 Price: Kiner for 6,888, Williams for 32,999 I can see why someone might prefer Williams with the eye and gap, but I do not see a 26k pp difference.

06-27-2020, 10:00 AM	#2
mayday10 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 175	Missions maybe __________________

06-28-2020, 09:56 AM	#7
QuantaCondor All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 563	It's hard to overstate how common the SEs from the live sets are. There are an ungodly amount of those floating around; it doesn't make any sense to try to compare them when there are so many copies of SE Kiner and not nearly as many copies of nonlive diamonds. Also, diamond Ted had (1) some value as a speculative buy recently (2) is Ted Williams and has name recognition (3) is a clearly stronger card. Add that to the ridiculous deflation of live collections SEs, and I think both are very fairly priced relative to the different factors at work. __________________ Former leader of BFF, the definitive competitive PT group for F2P players. DM for info F2P + restrictions. First F2P winner of PT21 Perfect League F2P + restrictions. New team -> PT title in 8 weeks

07-01-2020, 05:54 PM	#8
allenciox All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 735	Fair isn't really the question here. Prices in a market are purely determined by the laws of supply and demand. If there are more copies of a card available than there is demand for that card, the price will drop. If there are fewer copies than there is demand, the price will rise. What determines supply and demand are the critical questions here. Some players just want Ted Williams because of the name, or because they want to get a complete set of cards, or whatever, not just what their abilities are. SE cards are never going to cost much more than the cost to complete the collection for a prolonged period. For Live collections in particular, the cost is cheap and the supply is limitless because of the ready availability of live cards (70% of the cards in packs are live). __________________

06-27-2020, 10:04 AM	#3
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,315	Kiner is extremely common and that hurts his value. Williams is far harder to get, if you want him. L7 often means the last sale price because only 1 was sold in the last 7 days. Just because the last customer paid a high price doesn't mean you have to, or that you will get that price if you have one to sell.

06-27-2020, 10:28 AM	#4
joker7702 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 43	Yeah, but the all time prices were similar

06-28-2020, 09:46 AM	#6
joker7702 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 43	I should have specified that it is Ted Williams, and is not in any collections. I did not realize that there was another 96 named Williams.