Contract Negotiations Bug

[WBTyler939]

I'm sure this has been discussed on this forum before, as this has been a big for many, many versions. I'd really appreciate it if a mod or developer could chime in and explain.

It makes no sense to me why the following happens over and over:
Player A's demand: 5 years, $10 million/year
GM offer: 5 years, $8 million/year
Player A's counteroffer: 5 years, $12 million/year

Please explain to me why... EVERY TIME... the player's counteroffer is higher than their initial demand? Shouldn't it be somewhere between their demand and my offer, or at worst the exact same as their initial demand? The obvious (to me) way it should go is:

Player A's demand: 5 years, $10 million/year
GM offer: 5 years, $8 million/year
Player A's counteroffer: 5 years, $9.4 million/year

That's how negotiations work.

[pfholden]

I've seen a lot less of this in OOTP 21 than other versions. Many players come down and just reiterate their initial demand. I have seen what you're talking about as well, but generally only from players with greed or other bad personality traits.

[quillenl]

Originally Posted by pfholden

I've seen a lot less of this in OOTP 21 than other versions. Many players come down and just reiterate their initial demand. I have seen what you're talking about as well, but generally only from players with greed or other bad personality traits.

I have never seen a counter offer from a player that was less than his original demand unless I have simmed for some time and am revisiting negotiations. Not once. Every time I have made an offer that they did not accept they either countered wanting even more money or were no longer willing to negotiate.

Do you have an example of where that has happned that you can share? If you are seeing that it would be worth looking into and could save a lot of people heart ache,

[pfholden]

I don't have any current screen shots or video of it but it most recently happened when I offered one-year deals to 3 of my players who were entering their final arbitration year. I negotiated in season and all 3 lowered their asking price after my initial offer. This is standard game, 2024.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by WBTyler939

I'm sure this has been discussed on this forum before, as this has been a big for many, many versions. I'd really appreciate it if a mod or developer could chime in and explain.

It makes no sense to me why the following happens over and over:
Player A's demand: 5 years, $10 million/year
GM offer: 5 years, $8 million/year
Player A's counteroffer: 5 years, $12 million/year

Please explain to me why... EVERY TIME... the player's counteroffer is higher than their initial demand? Shouldn't it be somewhere between their demand and my offer, or at worst the exact same as their initial demand? The obvious (to me) way it should go is:

Player A's demand: 5 years, $10 million/year
GM offer: 5 years, $8 million/year
Player A's counteroffer: 5 years, $9.4 million/year

That's how negotiations work.

How is the money distributed over the contract?

Total value (or dollars per year) isn't as important as present value

[quillenl]

Originally Posted by pfholden

I don't have any current screen shots or video of it but it most recently happened when I offered one-year deals to 3 of my players who were entering their final arbitration year. I negotiated in season and all 3 lowered their asking price after my initial offer. This is standard game, 2024.

That gives me a starting point. Thank you

[quillenl]

Originally Posted by pfholden

I don't have any current screen shots or video of it but it most recently happened when I offered one-year deals to 3 of my players who were entering their final arbitration year. I negotiated in season and all 3 lowered their asking price after my initial offer. This is standard game, 2024.

Much appreciated. I don't think I have ever bothered to offer a one-year extension to a guy arby years left. I see lots of people do it and just never understood the strategy. Now that I have tried it for the first time I saw what you did with my first, second, and third tries.

Just another data point when trying to figure out why the players suddenly turn belligerent with these other types of contract extensions

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by WBTyler939

Please explain to me why... EVERY TIME... the player's counteroffer is higher than their initial demand? Shouldn't it be somewhere between their demand and my offer, or at worst the exact same as their initial demand?

Thanks for posting this. It's been a source of frustration for me as well.

Here's another one, kind of similar. Players asking for exorbitant contracts far above what their performance or ratings justify. They refuse to budge, then a day or two later they sign with another team for substantially less than what I offered them.

[Fronzizzle]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Thanks for posting this. It's been a source of frustration for me as well.

Here's another one, kind of similar. Players asking for exorbitant contracts far above what their performance or ratings justify. They refuse to budge, then a day or two later they sign with another team for substantially less than what I offered them.

Incredibly frustrating for me, too. I've had instances where I received an email from a player, saying he loved playing for my team and wanted to stay. During negotiations, he'd then ask for $45M per year for 8 years and barely budge, then in Free Agency he'd sign a 3-year deal for $20M a season.

[itsmb8]

I wish they made it like Madden or NBA2K where each player gives each contract a score from 1-100 based on years, AAV, team success, market, etc. and you could what your score is and the highest score is. That way people could see why said player didnt sign instead of wondering why.

But keep it to only being able to offer one contract a day so people cant game the system.

EDIT: Either this or create a system where a player tells you WHY he likes another teams offer more. Like Gerrit Cole could like the Yankees offer over the Astros even though the Yankees offered a bit less, and he'd tell you he likes the Yankees offer more because of the bigger market.