Question for anyone interested here ...

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

I have two leagues for a dynasty in OOTP 21 now, and I'm trying to figure out what teams to keep in one league and which to not keep in that league, once I might change the name of at least one of them, if not both of them, for the future of that dynasty. The two leagues currently in question are the Freedom and Independence Baseball Alliance and the Dreamfields Baseball Syndicate, each with 16 teams in two eight-team subleagues.

I would like to potentially name one of the existing leagues the North American Baseball Association, but I'm not quite sure how to handle the 32 teams in the two relevant existing leagues so that both still have 16 teams in each after one league is, if not both leagues are, renamed for the 1876 seasons. I would really appreciate some advice here, to be honest, from you all, if possible.

Here is how each relevant league is currently set up, in 1875, starting with the FIBA:

FIBA:

National Assembly:

Baltimore Canaries
Brooklyn Atlantics
Elizabeth Resolutes
Hartford Dark Blues
New York Mutuals
Providence Grays
Troy Haymakers
Washington Olympics

Union Assembly:

Chicago Colts
Columbus Buckeyes
Detroit Wolverines
Indianapolis Hoosiers
Kansas City Cowboys
Keokuk Westerns
Louisville Eclipse
St. Louis Maroons

DBS:

Sunrise League:

Boston Doves
Buffalo Bisons
New York Gothams
New York Highlanders
Newark Peppers
Pittsburgh Pythons
Wilmington Quicksteps
Worcester Ruby Legs

Heartland League:

Cleveland Green Sox
Duluth Heralds
Fort Wayne Kekiongas
Kenosha Comets
Milwaukee Coopers
Minnesota Pines
Omaha Thunder
South Bend Blue Sox

Ideally, in 1876, one of the leagues should perhaps become the NABA, whether or not the other league changes its name as well, folks.

Here is what I would like to see for a possible 1876 setup when it come to the NABA, if I decide to rename at least one of the two relevant leagues here, even though in most of my saves, the Union League doesn't likely start before 1901 in them. I really want your opinions on just which sixteen teams to put in the NABA, and just which sixteen teams should be in the second league, if possible, please:

Victory League:

Chicago Winds
Memphis Pilots
New York Bombers
New York Empires
Philadelphia Freedom
Pittsburgh Pythons
St. Louis Blues
St. Louis Scouts

Union League:

Augusta Colonials
Birmingham Stallions
Boston Pilgrims
Brooklyn Robins
Charleston Miners
Kentucky Colonels
Nashville Blue Sox
Washington Generals

Eventually, I want to have two divisions for both the Victory League and the Union League seen above, with the following teams added to the NABA later on:

Victory League:

Arizona Scorpions
Houston Stars
Los Angeles Directors
Madison Anglers
Missouri Trekkers
Ottawa Senators
San Antonio Cowboys
Toronto Mounties

Union League:

Columbus Explorers
Duluth Bulldogs
Hawaii Islanders
Jupiter Thunderbolts
Los Angeles (then Mankato) Sharks
Oakland Quakes
Sioux Falls Warriors
Topeka Twisters

So any suggestions you can perhaps provide here would be very much appreciated here, folks, as you like and can. Thank you for your time and attention and all here, of course. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Okay, I'm now at December 31, 1875 for my Earth Baseball Association dynasty. I will not likely do the 1875 Almanac until tomorrow evening at the earliest, if not later than that. But I still would really appreciate people's input here. I have some ideas about a few of the teams listed above, but I'm still not quite sure just which teams to move from the current DBS to the current FIBA, and vice versa, to get the desired setup for the future NABA here.

Some of the teams may be easy to decide on, obviously, but others, not so much, it seems, folks. Seeing as many of the current locations will not be used by the upcoming NABA, we then have to figure out how to deal with the teams that don't have any definite directions decided for them yet here.

The locations that won't be present in the NABA in 1876 will be as follows from the current FIBA:

Baltimore
Columbus
Detroit
Elizabeth
Hartford
Indianapolis
Kansas City
Keokuk
New York
Providence
Troy

The locations that won't be present in the NABA in 1876 will be as follows from the current DBS:

Buffalo
Cleveland
Duluth
Fort Wayne
Kenosha
Milwaukee
Minnesota
Newark
Omaha
South Bend (Going to Nashville)
Wilmington
Worcester

That leaves Brooklyn, Chicago, Kentucky (Louisville), St. Louis, and Washington from the FIBA still in use. While Boston, both New York teams, and Pittsburgh will move to the new NABA from the DBS, along with South Bend, when they relocate to Nashville. Giving us ten teams so far for the new NABA, meaning we have to choose six of the remaining teams to be part of the new NABA here, and choose which sixteen teams get left in the second league after the FIBA becomes the new NABA.

Any input any of you would like to contribute here within reason will certainly be greatly appreciated, folks, I promise you that. Thanks for your time and all here, then, everyone. CD out.

[koohead]

I guess for me the first question is what your motivation happens to be to change one of the league names to NABA? What are you looking to achieve that your current league name/structure is not giving you?
It all comes down to what you want to get out of the game. I would have to understand your original goal when you setup the 2 separate leagues and what the "theme" or goal of each league was...and then where you want to go with NABA in order to make any suggestions.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

In many of my dynasties, when I start a dynasty in the 19th Century, and don't have the NABA in them as one of the starting leagues, I typically add the NABA in 1876, at least with the original 8 teams for the Victory League, if not also the original 8 teams for the Union League part of the NABA, which I usually add in 1901 to the NABA setup. However, with my relevant Earth Baseball Dynasty here, I wanted to start with just four starting leagues, with those leagues being the MLB, the American Federal Baseball Union, and the two relevant leagues mentioned above.

Now I want the FIBA to become the NABA, but I'm not sure just which teams need to be moved from the DBS to the new NABA, and from the old FIBA to whatever the DBS will stay as or be renamed as. I have no definite ideas yet on just how to arrange the remaining 22 teams in both leagues that haven't yet had their ultimate 1876 assignments decided here. Ten teams have already been chosen for the new NABA, for sure, but I still need six teams to be chosen from either existing relevant league to fill the remaining slots in the new NABA.

After those other six teams for the new NABA have been decided for sure, then I can decide whether or not to rename the second league to something else entirely, or have it keep its current name instead, and assign the remaining teams to the second league, if they're not already there. I'm leaning towards renaming the second league as well, but that's not yet decided one way or another here, in any case.

When I created the FIBA and DBS, I wanted a potential source of players from a couple of independent leagues to build a little history for several players so that they could get some playing experience, prior to at least one of them perhaps wanting to declare themselves a major league, similar to how the American League started out in our real-world timeline, for instance. I also wanted to mirror a little bit of how certain leagues were in operation back in the 19th Century, but didn't want to copy them exactly while still being inspired at least a little by them with the FIBA and DBS.

NABA will become part of the Earth Baseball Association, which already has MLB and the AFBU in it, and it will leave the association it is now in, shortly. And what is now the DBS will likely move with them, at the same time, whether they do so in 1876 or later than that. I will replace those two leagues with at least as many other leagues, so that the second association can continue to build some more history for it over time, and probably until at least 1890, if not longer than that.

As I add major leagues to the game, I plan to funnel them through different associations until they are sufficiently incorporated into the game world in question, and reach their final placements in the game world. I am hoping and planning to ultimately have the champions of perhaps 16 or 32 different leagues, at most, contending for the world title by no later than 2000, if I'm somehow ever able to get that far with my Earth Baseball Association dynasty's overall history. But only time will tell just how far I'm able to get with it, of course, folks.

Thank you for your question here, koohead. I hope I've been clear enough here with the above, but if you still have questions here, please don't be afraid to ask, within reason. I'll try to be as concise as possible in this thread, when I try to answer any other questions you might have here, of course. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Okay, I think I'm going to go this route with the 32 teams in the two relevant leagues here, at least in terms of which teams will end up in the two reconfigured leagues for the 1876 season. Several teams may not yet move and/or change their nicknames, but I think I'll go with this setup for at least the near future, related to each league; I haven't yet decided whether the league that won't become the NABA will change its name or not, but I should be deciding that very soon, I think.

So anyway, here is how the overall configuration will be set up for the North American Baseball Association, at least for the 1876 season and probably for quite some time into the future. Even though I don't normally create the Union League for it prior to 1901, if at all, I am going to do so here, in any case:

Victory League:

Chicago Winds (the former Chicago Colts of the FIBA)
Memphis Pilots (the former Cleveland Green Sox of the DBS)
New York Bombers (the former New York Highlanders of the DBS)
New York Empires (the former New York Gothams of the DBS)
Philadelphia Freedom (the former Elizabeth Resolutes of the FIBA)
Pittsburgh Pythons (the former Pittsburgh Rebels of the DBS)
St. Louis Blues (the former St. Louis Maroons of the FIBA)
St. Louis Scouts (the former Keokuk Westerns of the FIBA)

Union League:

Augusta Colonials (the former Hartford Dark Blues of the FIBA)
Birmingham Stallions (the former Buffalo Bisons of the DBS)
Boston Pilgrims (the former Boston Doves of the DBS)
Brooklyn Robins (the former Brooklyn Atlantics of the FIBA)
Charleston Miners (the former Wilmington Quicksteps of the DBS)
Kentucky Colonels (the former Louisville Eclipse of the FIBA)
Nashville Blue Sox (the former South Bend Blue Sox of the DBS)
Washington Generals (the former Washington Olympics of the FIBA)

As for the other league, which may or may not use the Dreamfields Baseball Syndicate name for the 1876 season and beyond, the teams will be as follows, with their future team locations and names in parentheses, if appropriate and all here:

Subleague 1 (Future VL Expansion Teams):

Detroit Wolverines (Toronto Mounties)
Kansas City Cowboys (San Antonio Cowboys)
Kenosha Comets (Houston Stars)
Milwaukee Coopers (Madison Anglers)
New York Mutuals (Ottawa Senators)
Providence Grays (Los Angeles Directors)
Troy Haymakers (Missouri Trekkers)
Worcester Ruby Legs (Arizona Scorpions)

Subleague 2 (Future UL Expansion Teams):

Baltimore Canaries (Hawaii Islanders)
Columbus Buckeyes (Columbus Explorers)
Duluth Heralds (Duluth Bulldogs)
Fort Wayne Kekiongas (Sioux Falls Warriors)
Indianapolis Hoosiers (Oakland Quakes)
Minnesota Pines (Los Angeles Sharks, then Mankato Sharks)
Newark Peppers (Jupiter Thunderbolts)
Omaha Thunder (Topeka Twisters)

I still haven't worked out whether or not any of these last sixteen teams are going to move prior to when I normally would create them for use in a dynasty, from this point in time, but I don't think they will in the applicable timeline for at least a few years from now, in truth. I'll have to see how things develop here with the applicable dynasty here, of course, folks.

Will write more later, as time allows and all, Lord willing, you know. But for now, at least, I'll close this post here, whether or not I ultimately come back to it later, in any case. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

The Earth Baseball Association has been backed up, and is now generating the 1875 Almanac. While it is still doing so, I have decided the old FIBA is going to be the new NABA, and the Dreamfields Baseball Syndicate is going to be the United States Baseball Association. The NABA will have the teams in it that are listed above, while the USBA will have the teams in it that are also listed for it above, but the USBA will consist of two subleagues having two divisions of four teams each, with each of those subleagues being named after former major leagues from our real world.

The USBA will have the National Association and American Association as subleagues, with the NA having the Freedom and Independence Divisions and the AA having the Sunrise and Heartland Divisions. This will be so that the original subleague names are not lost for the 1876 season and possibly beyond until there are new leagues in the game world that bear the FIBA and DBS overall names again, along with their proper subleagues, at least.

The teams not chosen for the NABA will remain in their current locations for yet-unknown lengths of times with their current team names, as well. Eventually, though, some, if not all, will most likely relocate and/or change their present team nicknames and all, as the need or desire arises for them to do so, folks.

I do not think I'll be creating new independent leagues to replace the FIBA or DBS just yet, though, for at least a little while longer. But that probably won't be the case after the 1880 season, for I'll probably create them around that time, if not before. Please stay tuned.

Talk more later, as time permits and all, I'm quite sure, then. Until later, I'll close this post here, and wish all of you and all of yours a happy and safe 2022, Lord willing, for sure, of course, folks. CD out.