Free Agents Left unsigned

rdomico · 04-09-2003, 03:20 PM

I know this has been discussed in many posts before, but I'm going to bring it up again.

I am having very good free agents go unsigned every year.

What are the best ways to prevent this from happening? What cash maximum is best? I never use a salary cap. What about amateur drafts rounds? Will lowering that help?

It seems like everytime someone asks what to do about this problem, people respond with things like "Give all the teams big TV contracts and set them to expire in 100 years"

I don't want to do something like that. I don't want to remove features from the game to get it to work correctly.

Thanks,
Bob

dbacks · 04-09-2003, 03:24 PM

http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...threadid=28219

Erich Ingram · 04-09-2003, 03:25 PM

Well the thing is sometimes decent players get left unsigned. Anyone heard from Chuck Finley yet this year, for instance. Granted he isn't great but he has been a very good pitcher.

Also the key is that occasionally the player will not like the teams that can afford him for whatever reason and wants too much to sign with the teams that do like him. He should get signed relatively early in the season to a 1 year deal with a team that can afford him.

Look at it as he didn't accept arbitration from his team and therefore wasn't allowed to play for that team again until May 1 but wanted to.

dbacks · 04-09-2003, 03:29 PM

Points well taken, but also take this into consideration:

Chuck Finley is 40 years old.

Rasmuth · 04-09-2003, 03:30 PM

I find that most unsigned free agents tend to get signed in April. I've been worried when I've seen the likes of Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Frank Howard and others still available but they always get signed pretty quick.

dbacks · 04-09-2003, 03:34 PM

I mean even a one year deal MIGHT be one too many...

I wouldn't even say that Finley is a very good pitcher.

Since 1994 - the past nine years, he has an ERA of 4.29 or so. Not great.

And I know what you're saying, Rolen, I just thought Chuck Finley wasn't a great example. That's okay though, because I couldn't come up with any better.

dbacks · 04-09-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rasmuth
I've seen the likes of Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Frank Howard and others still available but they always get signed pretty quick.

They'd get signed a lot quicker if I saw them in the FA pool

. I may not need OF, but I can ALWAYS find room for any of those guys - if I had the cash. I know what you're saying, though. I hate it when A-rod goes unsigned, then signs a 3 million, 1 year contract, and then this repeats for the rest of his flippin' career. Sometimes he won't even get the stupid one year deal.

Steve Kuffrey · 04-09-2003, 03:45 PM

Also, depends on some of your league settings, like cash max. If it is low then chances are slim that they will get picked up. But if it is set at like 20M+ then the chances go up of them being signed.

rdomico · 04-09-2003, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
Also, depends on some of your league settings, like cash max. If it is low then chances are slim that they will get picked up. But if it is set at like 20M+ then the chances go up of them being signed.

What do you use? I use 25M.

Bob

Steve Kuffrey · 04-09-2003, 03:55 PM

It varies, one solo league I have is set at 40M and there are marginal free agents but no stars. Which is good and needed.

MrWorkrate · 04-09-2003, 04:53 PM

Best example of the 1-year free agent thing would be Ivan Rodriguez. Granted, he signed before spring training, but his situation was similar to what those unsigned OOTP free agents go through: Player wants a high salary and long-term contract that no team is willing to give him. So, player ends up taking one year deal in an attempt to get the long term big money deal next year.

Erich Ingram · 04-09-2003, 05:16 PM

dbacks, Chuck Finley was the only guy that came to mind off the top of my head because I know that StL is looking at bringing him back in May. Shane Reynolds is out there now as a free agent. Granted he was released.

Another example would be John Wetteland a few years ago.

I Am The Game · 04-09-2003, 05:34 PM

Or Kenny Rogers. Who declined something like a 2 year 10Million dollar (total) deal from the Rangers back in November, because Boras was convinced he could land more then that on the market. Rogers sat there until the end of Spring Training before signing with the Twins. He had interest from a number of teams, but wanted a specific type of deal and couldn't get it.

Go Tribe · 04-09-2003, 05:58 PM

or Kenny Rogers

04-09-2003, 03:20 PM	#1
rdomico All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Monaca, PA Posts: 830	Free Agents Left unsigned I know this has been discussed in many posts before, but I'm going to bring it up again. I am having very good free agents go unsigned every year. What are the best ways to prevent this from happening? What cash maximum is best? I never use a salary cap. What about amateur drafts rounds? Will lowering that help? It seems like everytime someone asks what to do about this problem, people respond with things like "Give all the teams big TV contracts and set them to expire in 100 years" I don't want to do something like that. I don't want to remove features from the game to get it to work correctly. Thanks, Bob

04-09-2003, 03:25 PM	#3
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,201	Well the thing is sometimes decent players get left unsigned. Anyone heard from Chuck Finley yet this year, for instance. Granted he isn't great but he has been a very good pitcher. Also the key is that occasionally the player will not like the teams that can afford him for whatever reason and wants too much to sign with the teams that do like him. He should get signed relatively early in the season to a 1 year deal with a team that can afford him. Look at it as he didn't accept arbitration from his team and therefore wasn't allowed to play for that team again until May 1 but wanted to. __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

04-09-2003, 03:30 PM	#5
Rasmuth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Upstate Western NY Posts: 1,760	I find that most unsigned free agents tend to get signed in April. I've been worried when I've seen the likes of Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Frank Howard and others still available but they always get signed pretty quick. __________________ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=250426

04-09-2003, 03:45 PM	#8
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,024	Also, depends on some of your league settings, like cash max. If it is low then chances are slim that they will get picked up. But if it is set at like 20M+ then the chances go up of them being signed. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-09-2003, 03:55 PM	#10
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,024	It varies, one solo league I have is set at 40M and there are marginal free agents but no stars. Which is good and needed. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-09-2003, 03:24 PM	#2
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735	http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...threadid=28219

04-09-2003, 03:29 PM	#4
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735	Points well taken, but also take this into consideration: Chuck Finley is 40 years old.

04-09-2003, 03:34 PM	#6
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735	I mean even a one year deal MIGHT be one too many... I wouldn't even say that Finley is a very good pitcher. Since 1994 - the past nine years, he has an ERA of 4.29 or so. Not great. And I know what you're saying, Rolen, I just thought Chuck Finley wasn't a great example. That's okay though, because I couldn't come up with any better.

04-09-2003, 04:53 PM	#11
MrWorkrate All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,262	Best example of the 1-year free agent thing would be Ivan Rodriguez. Granted, he signed before spring training, but his situation was similar to what those unsigned OOTP free agents go through: Player wants a high salary and long-term contract that no team is willing to give him. So, player ends up taking one year deal in an attempt to get the long term big money deal next year. __________________ I used to come here a lot. Now, not so much.

04-09-2003, 05:16 PM	#12
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,201	dbacks, Chuck Finley was the only guy that came to mind off the top of my head because I know that StL is looking at bringing him back in May. Shane Reynolds is out there now as a free agent. Granted he was released. Another example would be John Wetteland a few years ago. __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

04-09-2003, 05:34 PM	#13
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	Or Kenny Rogers. Who declined something like a 2 year 10Million dollar (total) deal from the Rangers back in November, because Boras was convinced he could land more then that on the market. Rogers sat there until the end of Spring Training before signing with the Twins. He had interest from a number of teams, but wanted a specific type of deal and couldn't get it.

04-09-2003, 05:58 PM	#14
Go Tribe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,534 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	or Kenny Rogers