Hoarding players

PhysicsTeacher · 02-11-2019, 09:05 PM

With each new season, I scout the competition. In P405, there is a whale that has a remarkable reserve roster. His active roster is chock full of perfects and diamonds, nothing unusual. But on his reserve roster, there are:

8 copies of 89 Jose Altuve
6 copies of 89 Patrick Corbin
6 copies of 89 Sean Doolittle
4 copies of 89 Manny Machado
6 copies of 89 James Paxton
8 copies of 86 J.D. Martinez
4 copies of 83 Larry Dierker
10 copies of 83 Buster Posey
3 copies of 83 Craig Stammen

How do you feel about this? Is it ethical to attempt to corner the market for popular players and stash them on your reserve roster?

mcdog512 · 02-11-2019, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PhysicsTeacher

With each new season, I scout the competition. In P405, there is a whale that has a remarkable reserve roster. His active roster is chock full of perfects and diamonds, nothing unusual. But on his reserve roster, there are:

8 copies of 89 Jose Altuve
6 copies of 89 Patrick Corbin
6 copies of 89 Sean Doolittle
4 copies of 89 Manny Machado
6 copies of 89 James Paxton
8 copies of 86 J.D. Martinez
4 copies of 83 Larry Dierker
10 copies of 83 Buster Posey
3 copies of 83 Craig Stammen

How do you feel about this? Is it ethical to attempt to corner the market for popular players and stash them on your reserve roster?

Ethical? Sure, I don't think he's doing anything wrong...but it is a bit of a strange strategy.....

bobbycockstrong · 02-11-2019, 09:08 PM

It may jsut be that they opened hundreds and hundreds of packs.

Those are all live gold pulls for the most part (minus dierker, who is common non live)

If this is a strategy, its probably a pretty poor one since there are always seemingly many of those players on the AH and the prices have stayed the same or decreased from what I can tell.

Bunktown Ballers · 02-11-2019, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PhysicsTeacher

With each new season, I scout the competition. In P405, there is a whale that has a remarkable reserve roster. His active roster is chock full of perfects and diamonds, nothing unusual. But on his reserve roster, there are:

8 copies of 89 Jose Altuve
6 copies of 89 Patrick Corbin
6 copies of 89 Sean Doolittle
4 copies of 89 Manny Machado
6 copies of 89 James Paxton
8 copies of 86 J.D. Martinez
4 copies of 83 Larry Dierker
10 copies of 83 Buster Posey
3 copies of 83 Craig Stammen

How do you feel about this? Is it ethical to attempt to corner the market for popular players and stash them on your reserve roster?

Not a big fan of someone doing that, but it just gets to to bigger picture of someones insecurities. Kinda cheesy & not the type of person I would befriend. But knowing how much money he actually had to spend to get that makes me feel better especially when no $$$ is won after winning g a league. Last night I played a World Series in bronze league against a team of 11 perfects & 14 90+ cards & lost to him 4 games to 2 with a team of 1 gold Gaylord Perry & the rest 79's & below. I bet he was crapping when it was 3-2. Anyways....on subject....it's cheesy & a bit strange to horde cards but especially with pitchers you can pitch the same player every game if you have 5 or more of the card...

PhysicsTeacher · 02-11-2019, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

... especially with pitchers you can pitch the same player every game if you have 5 or more of the card...

Interesting concept. If I had 14 perfect Pedros, I could throw him every game all season.

It would be labor intensive, as you would need to make a roster move every half hour all day long, but an interesting concept. Wouldn't work in the playoffs, though, as roster moves are forbidden during a series.

NYY #23 · 02-11-2019, 10:12 PM

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Interesting concept. If I had 14 perfect Pedros, I could throw him every game all season.

It would be labor intensive, as you would need to make a roster move every half hour all day long, but an interesting concept. Wouldn't work in the playoffs, though, as roster moves are forbidden during a series.

That won't work. If you have multiple versions of the same card they are all supposed to get the 14 day waiting period so you can't do this.

joehart · 02-12-2019, 05:04 AM

I suspect we will see this more often in ootp20 as some live cards may see positive adjustments. An 89 Paxton moving to a 90 rating could lead to a 3k profit sale per card.

I am starting to think that there should be a top limit set by the game for each card.

joehart · 02-12-2019, 05:20 AM

As for this case, I am not sure I see the issue. You may need to help me understand why it would be wrong to own the same card many times. It won’t change the odds for the next person getting the card and trying to buy/sell does not seem to generate enough profit for someone with a very good roster.

Based on your comment, he seems to own lots of perfect cards hence it appears that he opened lots of packs and got too lazy to sell each of the gold cards.

I can see how some managers simply don’t care about players that get them 1-3K points if they spent 100,000s of points on a single player. Since there is no button to mass-sale lots of cards at once, some people may decide to leave all additional cards on the reserve roster.

professor ape · 02-12-2019, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NYY #23

That won't work. If you have multiple versions of the same card they are all supposed to get the 14 day waiting period so you can't do this.

That’s why you would need 14 of them. You might need a 15th to make it work and it would be crazy labor intensive to swap the Pedro who just pitched and the one who is eligible to come off of the reserve roster before every game. But you could do it.

atabakin · 02-12-2019, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by professor ape

That’s why you would need 14 of them. You might need a 15th to make it work and it would be crazy labor intensive to swap the Pedro who just pitched and the one who is eligible to come off of the reserve roster before every game. But you could do it.

No, what he's saying is if you have 15 cards of the same player and move one to the reserve roster, all 15 have the 14 day waiting period and none can move straight to the active roster, therefore there is no benefit to be had.

Matt Arnold · 02-12-2019, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by professor ape

That’s why you would need 14 of them. You might need a 15th to make it work and it would be crazy labor intensive to swap the Pedro who just pitched and the one who is eligible to come off of the reserve roster before every game. But you could do it.

Duplicate cards are treated identically for the waiting period. So if you have a perfect Pedro on your reserve roster and one on your main roster, when you move the one on the main roster to reserve, neither can be activated for 14 days - you cannot simply swap them.

professor ape · 02-12-2019, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Duplicate cards are treated identically for the waiting period. So if you have a perfect Pedro on your reserve roster and one on your main roster, when you move the one on the main roster to reserve, neither can be activated for 14 days - you cannot simply swap them.

Markus and team are wise! I guess I should dump the eleven Pedros that I have been hoarding.

Ty Cobb · 02-12-2019, 11:21 AM

There is a profound ethical problem here. Hoarding the card which appear at a far lower frequency than do the 40's & 50's decreases the supply for all...and probably inflates the price as well. It certainly makes it more difficult to obtain the cards. THIS is why MLB has Rule 5. Perhaps it's time to consider a Rule 5 draft here?

rudel.dietrich · 02-12-2019, 11:25 AM

I don’t have a problem with this. There is not a finite number of any card.. And all of those cards you can get on the AH. Almost off of them have at least a half dozen at any one time.
If this player spent money and got the team they wanted and had a lot of gold cards left over it might of been too much of a hassle to put them on auction for fair prices and have the 10% tax taken out.

And if they quick sale them then those cards simply disappear and are never seen again.

pgjocki · 02-12-2019, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

I don’t have a problem with this. There is not a finite number of any card.. And all of those cards you can get on the AH. Almost off of them have at least a half dozen at any one time.

If this player spent money and got the team they wanted and had a lot of gold cards left over it might of been too much of a hassle to put them on auction for fair prices and have the 10% tax taken out.

And if they quick sale them then those cards simply disappear and are never seen again.

Maybe this guy wants to play the market as well as trying to win and is waiting for the price to go up.

Maybe he just bought a lot with his credit card and doesn't care about selling a card for 1,400 PP.

Maybe he's just lazy.

Maybe we shouldn't be able to see other players reserve rosters.

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eldur00 · 02-12-2019, 11:57 AM

There is nothing wrong with this. This is a free market and people are entitled to invest the money they spent whichever way they want, as long as it doesn't break the lineup rules (which this doesn't).

People that have a problem with this will break a real sweat in OOTP20 when people will be REALLY hoarding players they feel will be close to be getting a ratings upgrade due to real life performance...

asaintsfan · 02-12-2019, 11:57 AM

ummmmmmmmmmm

I'm a HOARDER - sorry

Just way to many packs opened and the interface to sell cards is just waaaaaaaaaaayyyy to slow for me. I JUST RECENTLY discovered the auto sell feature for cards below a certain rating. So now I just keep cards with a 70 and above. But as far as trying to "corner the market" on cards - SERIOUSLY????? Hell if I spent money on these packs I will keep as many cards as I want to keep for as long as I want to keep them anyway.

But with three teams - I just dont have the time to go card card for card and sell - way to monotonous

Comedian2004 · 02-12-2019, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

There is a profound ethical problem here. Hoarding the card which appear at a far lower frequency than do the 40's & 50's decreases the supply for all...and probably inflates the price as well. It certainly makes it more difficult to obtain the cards. THIS is why MLB has Rule 5. Perhaps it's time to consider a Rule 5 draft here?

Just curious… how many Ty Cobbs do you have?

the_mad_monk · 02-12-2019, 12:08 PM

I played this team or one similar to it a few seasons ago and saw that crazy reserve roster. Maybe the owner believes he can sell all those cards and "cash-out" his PP balance in the future.

webdox · 02-12-2019, 12:11 PM

Don't see an issue here. The guy probably sells some off when he has his eye on a new card he doesn't have. Problem is the longer he sits on those dupes the less value they have. The market has made some serious adjustments in prices the past few weeks. I suspect this will be more prevalent as the release day of '20 approaches...

02-11-2019, 09:05 PM	#1
PhysicsTeacher Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 87	Hoarding players With each new season, I scout the competition. In P405, there is a whale that has a remarkable reserve roster. His active roster is chock full of perfects and diamonds, nothing unusual. But on his reserve roster, there are: 8 copies of 89 Jose Altuve 6 copies of 89 Patrick Corbin 6 copies of 89 Sean Doolittle 4 copies of 89 Manny Machado 6 copies of 89 James Paxton 8 copies of 86 J.D. Martinez 4 copies of 83 Larry Dierker 10 copies of 83 Buster Posey 3 copies of 83 Craig Stammen How do you feel about this? Is it ethical to attempt to corner the market for popular players and stash them on your reserve roster?

02-12-2019, 05:04 AM	#7
joehart All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,131	I suspect we will see this more often in ootp20 as some live cards may see positive adjustments. An 89 Paxton moving to a 90 rating could lead to a 3k profit sale per card. I am starting to think that there should be a top limit set by the game for each card. __________________

02-12-2019, 05:20 AM	#8
joehart All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,131	As for this case, I am not sure I see the issue. You may need to help me understand why it would be wrong to own the same card many times. It won’t change the odds for the next person getting the card and trying to buy/sell does not seem to generate enough profit for someone with a very good roster. Based on your comment, he seems to own lots of perfect cards hence it appears that he opened lots of packs and got too lazy to sell each of the gold cards. I can see how some managers simply don’t care about players that get them 1-3K points if they spent 100,000s of points on a single player. Since there is no button to mass-sale lots of cards at once, some people may decide to leave all additional cards on the reserve roster. __________________

02-12-2019, 11:21 AM	#13
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,602	There is a profound ethical problem here. Hoarding the card which appear at a far lower frequency than do the 40's & 50's decreases the supply for all...and probably inflates the price as well. It certainly makes it more difficult to obtain the cards. THIS is why MLB has Rule 5. Perhaps it's time to consider a Rule 5 draft here? __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

02-11-2019, 09:08 PM	#3
bobbycockstrong Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 178	It may jsut be that they opened hundreds and hundreds of packs. Those are all live gold pulls for the most part (minus dierker, who is common non live) If this is a strategy, its probably a pretty poor one since there are always seemingly many of those players on the AH and the prices have stayed the same or decreased from what I can tell.

02-12-2019, 11:25 AM	#14
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	I don’t have a problem with this. There is not a finite number of any card.. And all of those cards you can get on the AH. Almost off of them have at least a half dozen at any one time. If this player spent money and got the team they wanted and had a lot of gold cards left over it might of been too much of a hassle to put them on auction for fair prices and have the 10% tax taken out. And if they quick sale them then those cards simply disappear and are never seen again.

02-12-2019, 11:57 AM	#16
eldur00 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 506	There is nothing wrong with this. This is a free market and people are entitled to invest the money they spent whichever way they want, as long as it doesn't break the lineup rules (which this doesn't). People that have a problem with this will break a real sweat in OOTP20 when people will be REALLY hoarding players they feel will be close to be getting a ratings upgrade due to real life performance...

02-12-2019, 11:57 AM	#17
asaintsfan All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New Orleans LA Posts: 554	ummmmmmmmmmm I'm a HOARDER - sorry Just way to many packs opened and the interface to sell cards is just waaaaaaaaaaayyyy to slow for me. I JUST RECENTLY discovered the auto sell feature for cards below a certain rating. So now I just keep cards with a 70 and above. But as far as trying to "corner the market" on cards - SERIOUSLY????? Hell if I spent money on these packs I will keep as many cards as I want to keep for as long as I want to keep them anyway. But with three teams - I just dont have the time to go card card for card and sell - way to monotonous

02-12-2019, 12:08 PM	#19
the_mad_monk Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: USA Posts: 499	I played this team or one similar to it a few seasons ago and saw that crazy reserve roster. Maybe the owner believes he can sell all those cards and "cash-out" his PP balance in the future.

02-12-2019, 12:11 PM	#20
webdox Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 295	Don't see an issue here. The guy probably sells some off when he has his eye on a new card he doesn't have. Problem is the longer he sits on those dupes the less value they have. The market has made some serious adjustments in prices the past few weeks. I suspect this will be more prevalent as the release day of '20 approaches...