Suggestion: More Consistent PP Revenue Stream

[ASURay]

One thing that I have noticed is that my PP earnings are very inconsistent. Sometimes I'll get a big chunk when a player goes 4-5 with 3 HR and 8 RBI (which is rare, of course), and other times I'll go a few weeks in game without earning anything. It would be nice if there was more consistency to PP earnings, even if those additional revenue streams are small. Some suggestions might include:

(1) Earn a small amount of PP for every win. If we play 30 games per day and, on average go 15-15, then ~50 PP per win would get us 750 PP per day with some consistency. Maybe that's too much?

(2) Give PP for ticket sales. 1 PP for every 1,000 fans at a home game would give maybe an average of 30 PP per game for an average of 450 PP per day (assuming an equal number of home/away games)

I'd be in favor of adding some of these more consistent means of earning PP even if the PP values for achievements was to be dropped a bit.

[Maddox]

I think you are aiming high. With your totals you are looking basically a free pack every day. Even at the current prices, less than a week after release that would give you enough PP to buy a high silver or low gold card every single day.

[ASURay]

Originally Posted by Maddox

I think you are aiming high. With your totals you are looking basically a free pack every day. Even at the current prices, less than a week after release that would give you enough PP to buy a high silver or low gold card every single day.

The values were hypothetical. I'm more interested in the concept of consistent PP earnings.

[nickwatic]

I'd like to see *something* to get more PP. Its agonizing to go a full month, even winning most of your games, and not getting achievements

[VaCubbie]

Originally Posted by Maddox

I think you are aiming high. With your totals you are looking basically a free pack every day. Even at the current prices, less than a week after release that would give you enough PP to buy a high silver or low gold card every single day.

I agree - perhaps deflate the point values for a lot of things, but it would be kind of cool to look at each game and say "Oh cool, that was a 65 point game, or a 15 point game, etc. It could still take weeks to get to 1000 points, but at least you feel like your progressing a little each day.

[PocketsAintFull]

I don't know how do-able it is, but NHL 19 has a log-in collectible bonus every 8 hours or so, which can add up over the month to different rewards.

[ShiBDiB]

A daily 50 PP login reward would make sense

And maybe attendance (based on performance) is some type of super low but consistent revenue stream.

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by ASURay

The values were hypothetical. I'm more interested in the concept of consistent PP earnings.

I agree with you. I'm concerned that this is a rich get richer scenario. If you have a weak team in your league, it seems very hard to generate points. Meanwhile, the top teams are already ahead and just keep gaining.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by ike121212

I agree with you. I'm concerned that this is a rich get richer scenario. If you have a weak team in your league, it seems very hard to generate points. Meanwhile, the top teams are already ahead and just keep gaining.

This just simply hasn't been my experience. My team is still puttering along at about a .450 winning percentage, and other than starting 6-4, we haven't even begun to compete in our division. I have two gold players, my closer Betances (who doesn't help me when our starter lets up 8 runs), and Eddie Mathews at 3B, who is severely underperforming.

My team isn't good.

Since this season began on Monday, I have earned 1665PP from my achievements. The only non-bronze achievement was 300PP from Jeremy Hellickson somehow managing to throw a Maddux.

That's enough for a pack and a good Silver card, in three days. Not to mention, I had my earnings from pulling and selling a Gold Javier Baez, which allowed me to buy Mathews and a Brandon Belt card.

So no, it's really not hard to earn PP. The folks asking for more PP rewards are really asking for the sense of gratification that comes from it - and I totally get that, it's a very, very valid idea. Having lower values of PP earned more frequently will make players feel like they're building towards something, and that's an idea I can get behind. But claiming that it's too hard to earn PP with a weak team? Nah, simply not true.

[Maddox]

I am 2 games over .500 and have earned a little over 1200 PP this season.
My only gold player is still my guaranteed one from the initial packs.

If I earn enough for a couple of packs or a gold player every week then I will consider it a good week.

The game is meant to build your team over the course of a year. Not a few weeks or a month

I was just able to pick up Zack Cozart for 26 PP to see if he could help my anemic offense I was getting from my 3rd baseman. I also picked up Nick Markakis for, I think, 150 to do the same for my RF.

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

This just simply hasn't been my experience. My team is still puttering along at about a .450 winning percentage, and other than starting 6-4, we haven't even begun to compete in our division. I have two gold players, my closer Betances (who doesn't help me when our starter lets up 8 runs), and Eddie Mathews at 3B, who is severely underperforming.

My team isn't good.

Since this season began on Monday, I have earned 1665PP from my achievements. The only non-bronze achievement was 300PP from Jeremy Hellickson somehow managing to throw a Maddux.

That's enough for a pack and a good Silver card, in three days. Not to mention, I had my earnings from pulling and selling a Gold Javier Baez, which allowed me to buy Mathews and a Brandon Belt card.

So no, it's really not hard to earn PP. The folks asking for more PP rewards are really asking for the sense of gratification that comes from it - and I totally get that, it's a very, very valid idea. Having lower values of PP earned more frequently will make players feel like they're building towards something, and that's an idea I can get behind. But claiming that it's too hard to earn PP with a weak team? Nah, simply not true.

Your team is around .500. Plenty of teams are worse and likely earning points at a slower rate.

Further down the line, there will be teams joining weeks or months into a season and way behind the power curve. When a new team joins rookie league next week they will be way behind. I don't think you should dismiss the concern so easily.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by ike121212

Your team is around .500. Plenty of teams are worse and likely earning points at a slower rate.

Further down the line, there will be teams joining weeks or months into a season and way behind the power curve. When a new team joins rookie league next week they will be way behind. I don't think you should dismiss the concern so easily.

My record has nothing to do with how much PP I earn, except to illustrate that I don't have great players overall. I've earned PP from my 64 Lou Brock stealing 3 bases, my 57 Eduardo Nunez getting 4 hits, my 75 Brandon Belt (who only cost me ~300PP) hitting a walk-off home run, my 63 CC Sabathia striking out the side. And so on and so forth. These are players anyone can have.

Better teams will always be more likely to earn PP at a faster rate, and of course it takes a certain amount of luck (Hellickson throwing a Maddux, as I said). But you're more than capable of earning PP at a consistent rate (meaning in my opinion ~1000 every season), with just the starting cards that you get. Then all it takes is some smart investments and management (I bought my Lou Brock at Auction for cheap and set him to go wild stealing bases - he paid for himself in no time) to start earning more.

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

My record has nothing to do with how much PP I earn, except to illustrate that I don't have great players overall. I've earned PP from my 64 Lou Brock stealing 3 bases, my 57 Eduardo Nunez getting 4 hits, my 75 Brandon Belt (who only cost me ~300PP) hitting a walk-off home run, my 63 CC Sabathia striking out the side. And so on and so forth. These are players anyone can have.

Better teams will always be more likely to earn PP at a faster rate, and of course it takes a certain amount of luck (Hellickson throwing a Maddux, as I said). But you're more than capable of earning PP at a consistent rate (meaning in my opinion ~1000 every season), with just the starting cards that you get. Then all it takes is some smart investments and management (I bought my Lou Brock at Auction for cheap and set him to go wild stealing bases - he paid for himself in no time) to start earning more.

You honestly have no concern that a free to play player starting 2 weeks from now will have an enjoyable experience? I think there's several reasons to be concerned and I don't understand why people are so quick to dismiss them.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by ike121212

You honestly have no concern that a free to play player starting 2 weeks from now will have an enjoyable experience? I think there's several reasons to be concerned and I don't understand why people are so quick to dismiss them.

I am honestly asking here - what exactly do you think would cause someone to have a poor experience?

[Maddox]

Originally Posted by ike121212

You honestly have no concern that a free to play player starting 2 weeks from now will have an enjoyable experience? I think there's several reasons to be concerned and I don't understand why people are so quick to dismiss them.

1. It is beta and it has only been going 5 days. It is too soon to know how things will play out one way or the other.

2. People are always going to start late and be behind. Are they supposed to give them catch up points?

3. The leagues will have promotion and relegation. The really good teams will not still be in rookie league. They will have been promoted. So when the new person starts late they will join the rookie league with other teams that are new, teams that have been abandoned, and teams that were not good enough to move out of rookie league. They can still be competitive as a newcomer in that league.

These plans may or may not work out but we certainly need more than 5 days of playing (and only three in the actual league) to determine that.

[vyshka]

Originally Posted by ike121212

I agree with you. I'm concerned that this is a rich get richer scenario. If you have a weak team in your league, it seems very hard to generate points. Meanwhile, the top teams are already ahead and just keep gaining.

Doesn't the promotion/relegation help with that? The rich will most likely get promoted, and if you are really outclassed in the league you will get moved down to a league where you are more competitive.

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[Fyrestorm3]

I actually want to take a second to illustrate my point. Here's my roster, sorted by Overall rating:



- Mathews, as I said, was bought after selling a Javier Baez, so we'll call him essentially a Gold pull from a pack.
- Betances, Pham, Brantley, and Dominguez were from my starter packs.
- Belt, Molina, and Wainwright were picked up on the Auction House for a few hundred PP each.
- I've purchased I think 4 packs, from which I pulled Bader and Barker.

Everyone else is Bronze or lower, and were either pulled from packs or bought for 50PP or less, with the sole exception of Lou Brock, who I overpaid a bit for (though he's been worth it).

The one person on this team that a new player would have a difficult time acquiring is Mathews, who hasn't earned me a single PP since I purchased him, unless you want to count his role in one comeback victory. My best player is freaking Ray Durham, somehow, and my top PP earner is Lou Brock. Both cheap Bronze cards.

Five days to put this together with no money spent. I simply fail to see how there's any barrier at all to earning PP for new players.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by ASURay

The values were hypothetical. I'm more interested in the concept of consistent PP earnings.

I don't like it. It takes away part of the thrill and muddies the whole economy.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by vyshka

Doesn't the promotion/relegation help with that? The rich will most likely get promoted, and if you are really outclassed in the league you will get moved down to a league where you are more competitive.

Exactly! That's the beauty of the PT Universe

[ASURay]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I don't like it. It takes away part of the thrill and muddies the whole economy.

It seems to have worked in literally every game which PT is designed to compete with. I have played a lot of PES My Club, for example, which is a very well-balanced game with a promotion/relegation system consisting of over 100 levels (and expanding). It's a game where you can actually compete while spending nothing or very little. I've been playing for about 18 months and have spent maybe $20 total (the game is free to download) and have managed to make it to the Super Star leagues which are near the top of the ladder. In that game you get a little something as a daily login bonus -- not much but a bit. You get a little something for winning a match plus a bonus based on attendance (home matches only). It doesn't add up to a ton but it's nice to see my cash/coins climb a bit every time I login. I get enough to buy a pack of cards once every 2-3 days if I'm logging in and playing consistently. That's pretty minimal when you consider that most of those cards are going to be throw aways. I earned PP at a much faster rate the first few days but, not that I've used up the non-repeatable achievements (first win, etc.) things have really slowed down. It has been 21 in-game days since I earned PP from anything other than selling cards. Also, since PP earning are performance-based, stronger teams will earn at a faster rate than weaker teams which only makes it tougher to compete with the folks spending money for PP.