Suspension During The War?

Jason · 03-20-2003, 10:16 PM

Is your league suspending sims during the war? Why or why not?

Modern Relic · 03-20-2003, 10:26 PM

Nope. Real baseball goes on. And so does the AFBL.

adventureran · 03-20-2003, 10:29 PM

That's an excellent question. I actually thought about it. However, two things have kept me from doing it. One is that with the exception of the overseas games in the MLB being cancelled, all major sporting events are continuing as scheduled. Secondly, we have a our original commisioner over there and I know that he wants us to continue on. It's part of the American culture that he is fighting to protect.

O5B_Commish · 03-20-2003, 10:31 PM

Yes, I think I'm here to ask you--why wouldn't we?

Jason · 03-20-2003, 10:32 PM

I posted the question because I'm in 2 leagues where the commissioner suspended the sims "because of the war." I disagree with it 110% but wanted to see if other leagues were doing the same thing.

O5B_Commish · 03-20-2003, 10:38 PM

Sometimes in life you are dealt with curves and blows...the best way to deal with them is to move on.

Jason · 03-20-2003, 11:05 PM

I am. Just wanted to see what the OOTP community was doing concerning this.

O5B_Commish · 03-20-2003, 11:42 PM

I know

, I was just stating my opinion.

sporr · 03-21-2003, 08:58 AM

I'm not letting the war or threat of terrorism affect me in any way if I can help it. We will play on.

CommishJoe · 03-21-2003, 09:18 AM

TLB will not suspend any sims because of the war.

Here's to our men and women coming home soon .. safe and sound.

Jestre · 03-21-2003, 09:46 AM

I think it is more important to allow the tyrants and terrorists to effect our everyday lives as little as possible. Everyone from the President down the the great fighting men and women of our Armed Forces are encouraging americans to 'NOT' let Hussein and the terrorists negatively affect our lifestyle. It honestly never crossed my mind to suspend the MLBC.

JDScorch · 03-21-2003, 10:16 AM

I think the more you change your lives due to the actions of these homicidal nutballs, the more they in effect "win" in their attempt to cause fear and "terror" among the folks of our great nation. We must proceed as we always have, as much as that is possible.

VegasRobb · 03-21-2003, 10:18 AM

One situation I could see suspending sims would be if a GM was called to active duty or shipped overseas and needed some time to get set up again in his new situation.

woody5254 · 03-21-2003, 11:21 AM

I don't know about the rest of you, but I find I need something to take my mind off the war from time to time. This is not meant as disrespect for those fighting over there, I support them wholeheartedly. I just mean delaying everything just means we are sitting and watching horrific images all day, everyday.

metsgeek · 03-21-2003, 02:19 PM

Frankly, the idea of suspending any leagues for this "war" is inane IMHO.

It's the equivalent of setting the 1927 Yankees against a junior college team. This so-called "war" should not cause us to postpone anything. The media coverage makes this out to be some blockbuster Jerry Bruckheimer film. The on air commentary is reminiscent of a bunch of paranoid Chicken Littles, yelling that the sky is falling.

As a side note, I completely support our troops, so don't even think of accusing me of that. Simply put, they have infinitely more to fear from "friendly fire" and the "fog of war"

Pardon me while I roll my eyes.

KcJockBoy · 03-21-2003, 02:59 PM

DBLC will not be suspending.....I in no way want to live my life any differently than I would have before all this started, and if alot of guys are like me you need an escape from all the coverage on t.v where you can just relax and forgot about it all for at least a little bit.

Frankie

SimSportsWorld · 03-21-2003, 03:31 PM

This thread kinda bothers me fellas...

TFFO has taken a 5 day break, until Sunday. I have close friends and my brother in the War, and it is a bothersome time. I need time to spend with my family, and that's what I have been doing, and will continue to do until Sunday. Everyone else in the league agreed so far. So please tell me metsgeek, how caring for my family overseas, is less important then a baseball simulation? Is it really "inane" to care for family more then baseball? This is a war... people (although not many) have died from the US, fighting. I hope you call up those families that lost someone so far and let them know they don't need to worry, and are over reacting. I honestly can't believe you used baseball in an analogy with war. Pardon me while I roll my eyes

But then again, I can understand that if you have no one in the war that you are really close to, you would rather live on with your life and have fun. I personally, have close people in the war, and therefore I am not taking it as a joke, or as a game until I know they are safe.

huskerdan25 · 03-21-2003, 05:03 PM

Ok, folks. I'm the commish that Jason is talking about. Yes, I suspended league activities for my leagues for a couple of reasons.

#1: Our league had one of our owners called up to active duty and sent to the middle east for this war.

#2: I have another owner who is serving in the Air Force working 18 hour days. His team is actually in the BALL playoffs and he has not had time to submit lineups. Should I penalize him and sim with his lineup changes because he's working so hard for our country at this time?

#3: I don't buy the argument about not letting the "terrorist" disrupt our lives. When I hear this, you would think that people spend hours a day doing OOTP. I'm not letting the "terrorists win" by suspending league activities a few days. I still go to work, I still go to church, I still spend time with my wife and son. I still do most everything I normally do. My life isn't being disrupted by not playing a GAME for a few days.

One other commissioner that I have the highest regard for, Ken Church, of the iMLB, also suspended iMLB with one week left in the season and my team having a one game lead in the division and trying to get into the playoffs. But, when he emailed that iMLB would suspend activities until after the war, I fully supported that. There are a million other things more important than playing a game. Saying that suspending a game is allowing terrorists to disrupt our lives is going a bit too far.

I asked the owners of my league to pray for our troops, our President and our nation. And when I sent out my email to the league that I would be suspending activities, I got one email that disagreed with my decision, one! I'm sorry that Jason feels this way and we will have to agree to disagree. But I feel that in this time in our countries history, we need to elevate what is more important in our lives, like family, friends and our nation, that worry about playing a game.

You can disagree and many of you do. But I along with Ken Church and SimSportsWorld feel differently and I feel we made the right decisions for our leagues.

Dan
BALL/BALL2 Commissioner

Jason · 03-21-2003, 07:06 PM

First, Dan, I removed the tags after my name so it wouldn't be easy to identify which leagues I was referring to.

I can sympathize with those who have relatives over there and want to take pause to reflect on them. However, I have a cousin right now on the ground in Iraq and before he left he told us not to change one thing about our lives when the war started because it was letting the terrorists dictate our lives.

You can call it over-reacting to speak out against a league shutting down...I'm just trying to do what I was asked to do by my family member who's in the middle of the war. If you have problem with that, then I really don't care. My family's opinion will come before the opinion of someone else on this message board.

That's why I'm so against shutting things down...it feels to me like I'm doing exactly what he asked us not to do... I also know it's out of my hands and Dan can do whatever he wants to do with the league...that's why he's commissioner.

There's good on both sides of this argument and that's the hard part about it. No one is really wrong on either side of this. It's just important to understand that no matter what action you take in your league that there are people who will disagree with you and you should be repectful of their opinions as well. Wanting to continue doesn't necessarily mean you're un-American or don't support the troops...and wanting to stop doesn't necessarily mean you're letting the terrorists win.

(And before you wonder, that wasn't directed at Dan but someone else who e-mailed me privately questioning my patriotism because I wanted our leagues to continue.)

huskerdan25 · 03-21-2003, 07:19 PM

Let me make this clear. Jason and I have been good friends for 6 years through BALL and we are NOT arguing in this forum. My responses followed SimSportsWorld's response which I felt was appropriate and felt I should explain my reasoning for taking the actions I did with my league. In no way did I ever criticize those who have decided not to suspend league activities during this war.

My good friend has gotten an email questioning his patriotism for not agreeing with me. It was from an anonymous person, who is a coward for not being willing to be a man (or woman) when criticizing my friend. It is idiotic for anyone to question his patriotism over something so stupid as to whether a league should suspend activities during the war.

I will defend my position and my decisions and I will defend my friend's freedom to disagree with me. But let's not turn this discussion (or email responses) into a questioning of anyone's patriotism!

Dan
BALL/BALL2 Commissioner

03-20-2003, 10:31 PM	#4
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03-20-2003, 10:38 PM	#6
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03-20-2003, 11:42 PM	#8
O5B_Commish Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The University of Dayton Posts: 149	I know , I was just stating my opinion. __________________ O5B -O5B Boston Red Sox-(62-45) ASBL -St. Louis Cardinals-(33-30) NBSL -Colorado Rockies-(9-1) Email-Rich Dobson AIM-O5B Commish

03-21-2003, 09:18 AM	#10
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	TLB will not suspend any sims because of the war. Here's to our men and women coming home soon .. safe and sound. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

03-21-2003, 09:46 AM	#11
Jestre All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North Smithfield,Ri,USA Posts: 612	I think it is more important to allow the tyrants and terrorists to effect our everyday lives as little as possible. Everyone from the President down the the great fighting men and women of our Armed Forces are encouraging americans to 'NOT' let Hussein and the terrorists negatively affect our lifestyle. It honestly never crossed my mind to suspend the MLBC. __________________ My eyes perceive the present, but my roots are imbedded deeply in the grandeur of the past. "Chief Meyers"

03-20-2003, 10:16 PM	#1
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,855	Suspension During The War? Is your league suspending sims during the war? Why or why not?

03-20-2003, 10:26 PM	#2
Modern Relic All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,266	Nope. Real baseball goes on. And so does the AFBL. __________________ American Folklore Baseball League (closed): Commissioner/GM - Mudville Nine (ruled!) Former member of Boys of Summer: GM - St. Louis Browns (doormats!) Former member of the OTBL: GM - Gashouse Gorillas (also ruled!) "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

03-20-2003, 10:29 PM	#3
adventureran Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 447	That's an excellent question. I actually thought about it. However, two things have kept me from doing it. One is that with the exception of the overseas games in the MLB being cancelled, all major sporting events are continuing as scheduled. Secondly, we have a our original commisioner over there and I know that he wants us to continue on. It's part of the American culture that he is fighting to protect.

03-20-2003, 10:32 PM	#5
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,855	I posted the question because I'm in 2 leagues where the commissioner suspended the sims "because of the war." I disagree with it 110% but wanted to see if other leagues were doing the same thing.

03-20-2003, 11:05 PM	#7
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,855	I am. Just wanted to see what the OOTP community was doing concerning this.

03-21-2003, 08:58 AM	#9
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I'm not letting the war or threat of terrorism affect me in any way if I can help it. We will play on.

03-21-2003, 10:16 AM	#12
JDScorch Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 234	I think the more you change your lives due to the actions of these homicidal nutballs, the more they in effect "win" in their attempt to cause fear and "terror" among the folks of our great nation. We must proceed as we always have, as much as that is possible. __________________ SO49 Minnesota Giants 1955, 1959, 1969 Champs MCBL Chicago White Sox 1954 amd 1956 Champs MLBC Philadelphia Phillies 1959, 1960 and 1974 Champs

03-21-2003, 10:18 AM	#13
VegasRobb Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 29	One situation I could see suspending sims would be if a GM was called to active duty or shipped overseas and needed some time to get set up again in his new situation.

03-21-2003, 11:21 AM	#14
woody5254 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hector, NY Posts: 6,130	I don't know about the rest of you, but I find I need something to take my mind off the war from time to time. This is not meant as disrespect for those fighting over there, I support them wholeheartedly. I just mean delaying everything just means we are sitting and watching horrific images all day, everyday. __________________ Check out: You Pick Tourney Version 2.0 Standings Thread You Pick The Teams Tourney: Main Thread The Colossal 20th Century Tourney:Main Thread Chicago White Sox(Original Owner:2001-) Baseball Maelstrom -2001,2011,2013 World Series Champions -2002,2010 Maelstrom Tourney Champs Arizona Diamondbacks(2003-) NAHHBL Indianapolis Racers(Expansion Team:1993-)ABC

03-21-2003, 02:19 PM	#15
metsgeek Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norwood, MA Posts: 5,450	Frankly, the idea of suspending any leagues for this "war" is inane IMHO. It's the equivalent of setting the 1927 Yankees against a junior college team. This so-called "war" should not cause us to postpone anything. The media coverage makes this out to be some blockbuster Jerry Bruckheimer film. The on air commentary is reminiscent of a bunch of paranoid Chicken Littles, yelling that the sky is falling. As a side note, I completely support our troops, so don't even think of accusing me of that. Simply put, they have infinitely more to fear from "friendly fire" and the "fog of war" Pardon me while I roll my eyes. __________________ Commissioner - PBRL - Just finished 2009 109 seasons and still running strong!!!

03-21-2003, 02:59 PM	#16
KcJockBoy Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Olathe, Kansas Posts: 166	DBLC will not be suspending.....I in no way want to live my life any differently than I would have before all this started, and if alot of guys are like me you need an escape from all the coverage on t.v where you can just relax and forgot about it all for at least a little bit. Frankie __________________ Asahi2-St.Louis Cardinals CBLR-St.Louis Cardinals

03-21-2003, 03:31 PM	#17
SimSportsWorld Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 236	This thread kinda bothers me fellas... TFFO has taken a 5 day break, until Sunday. I have close friends and my brother in the War, and it is a bothersome time. I need time to spend with my family, and that's what I have been doing, and will continue to do until Sunday. Everyone else in the league agreed so far. So please tell me metsgeek, how caring for my family overseas, is less important then a baseball simulation? Is it really "inane" to care for family more then baseball? This is a war... people (although not many) have died from the US, fighting. I hope you call up those families that lost someone so far and let them know they don't need to worry, and are over reacting. I honestly can't believe you used baseball in an analogy with war. Pardon me while I roll my eyes But then again, I can understand that if you have no one in the war that you are really close to, you would rather live on with your life and have fun. I personally, have close people in the war, and therefore I am not taking it as a joke, or as a game until I know they are safe. __________________ <br> <a href="http://simsportsworld.com ">THE FIGHT FOR OCTOBER</a> --- COMMISSIONER/BOSTON RED SOX <br> <a href="http://www.legendsport.com/baseball/timeline">TIMELINE BASEBALL LEAGUE</a> --- BOSTON RED SOX <br> <a href="http://nabc.bigcitybaseball.com">NABC</a> --- SEATTLE RAINERS <br> <a href="http://www.legendsport.com/baseball/thb/thb.htm">TWISTED HISTORY BASEBALL</a> --- PHILADELPHIA A'S Last edited by SimSportsWorld; 03-21-2003 at 03:35 PM.

03-21-2003, 05:03 PM	#18
huskerdan25 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 353	Ok, folks. I'm the commish that Jason is talking about. Yes, I suspended league activities for my leagues for a couple of reasons. #1: Our league had one of our owners called up to active duty and sent to the middle east for this war. #2: I have another owner who is serving in the Air Force working 18 hour days. His team is actually in the BALL playoffs and he has not had time to submit lineups. Should I penalize him and sim with his lineup changes because he's working so hard for our country at this time? #3: I don't buy the argument about not letting the "terrorist" disrupt our lives. When I hear this, you would think that people spend hours a day doing OOTP. I'm not letting the "terrorists win" by suspending league activities a few days. I still go to work, I still go to church, I still spend time with my wife and son. I still do most everything I normally do. My life isn't being disrupted by not playing a GAME for a few days. One other commissioner that I have the highest regard for, Ken Church, of the iMLB, also suspended iMLB with one week left in the season and my team having a one game lead in the division and trying to get into the playoffs. But, when he emailed that iMLB would suspend activities until after the war, I fully supported that. There are a million other things more important than playing a game. Saying that suspending a game is allowing terrorists to disrupt our lives is going a bit too far. I asked the owners of my league to pray for our troops, our President and our nation. And when I sent out my email to the league that I would be suspending activities, I got one email that disagreed with my decision, one! I'm sorry that Jason feels this way and we will have to agree to disagree. But I feel that in this time in our countries history, we need to elevate what is more important in our lives, like family, friends and our nation, that worry about playing a game. You can disagree and many of you do. But I along with Ken Church and SimSportsWorld feel differently and I feel we made the right decisions for our leagues. Dan BALL/BALL2 Commissioner

03-21-2003, 07:06 PM	#19
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,855	First, Dan, I removed the tags after my name so it wouldn't be easy to identify which leagues I was referring to. I can sympathize with those who have relatives over there and want to take pause to reflect on them. However, I have a cousin right now on the ground in Iraq and before he left he told us not to change one thing about our lives when the war started because it was letting the terrorists dictate our lives. You can call it over-reacting to speak out against a league shutting down...I'm just trying to do what I was asked to do by my family member who's in the middle of the war. If you have problem with that, then I really don't care. My family's opinion will come before the opinion of someone else on this message board. That's why I'm so against shutting things down...it feels to me like I'm doing exactly what he asked us not to do... I also know it's out of my hands and Dan can do whatever he wants to do with the league...that's why he's commissioner. There's good on both sides of this argument and that's the hard part about it. No one is really wrong on either side of this. It's just important to understand that no matter what action you take in your league that there are people who will disagree with you and you should be repectful of their opinions as well. Wanting to continue doesn't necessarily mean you're un-American or don't support the troops...and wanting to stop doesn't necessarily mean you're letting the terrorists win. (And before you wonder, that wasn't directed at Dan but someone else who e-mailed me privately questioning my patriotism because I wanted our leagues to continue.)

03-21-2003, 07:19 PM	#20
huskerdan25 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 353	Let me make this clear. Jason and I have been good friends for 6 years through BALL and we are NOT arguing in this forum. My responses followed SimSportsWorld's response which I felt was appropriate and felt I should explain my reasoning for taking the actions I did with my league. In no way did I ever criticize those who have decided not to suspend league activities during this war. My good friend has gotten an email questioning his patriotism for not agreeing with me. It was from an anonymous person, who is a coward for not being willing to be a man (or woman) when criticizing my friend. It is idiotic for anyone to question his patriotism over something so stupid as to whether a league should suspend activities during the war. I will defend my position and my decisions and I will defend my friend's freedom to disagree with me. But let's not turn this discussion (or email responses) into a questioning of anyone's patriotism! Dan BALL/BALL2 Commissioner