What could have been

AirmenSmith · 07-20-2018, 09:37 AM

Thanks Dusty. Prior could have been something amazing....

Westheim · 07-20-2018, 10:59 AM

These teams were not exactly gentle on him either...

tejdog1 · 07-20-2018, 11:30 AM

Who do we blame for Matt Harvey? Or Dontrelle Willis?

Pitchers break. That's what they do. They exist to shatter our hearts.

Fronzizzle · 07-21-2018, 09:11 AM

Agree. Was watching the Tiger game last night, they had Joel Zumaya in the stands and did a quick interview. Even though he was just a reliever, I always wondered what he could have been had he stayed healthy.

Pitchers get overworked, some breakdown once or twice and others just can't stay healthy at all - I don't think most arms/shoulders are meant to throw things 95+ mph.

The thing that bums me out is the one semi-conclusive study shows that pitching while fatigued is major cause of injury, and you constantly see this college kids going 130+ pitches, then coming back 2-3 days later in relief.

Westheim · 07-21-2018, 09:28 AM

They didn't throw 95+ fifty years ago (with one or two exceptions maybe) and pitchers still fell by the wayside left and right, and there was no Tommy John surgery and myriads others to fix them. They had "soreness", and then they were gone.

The human arm is an excellent construction for using tools, like a stick to hit fruits off a tree. These fruits were for consumption, not to be thrown as hard as possible to some location 60 feet away.

Compared to evolution and walking upright in general, baseball has been a relatively recent invention, with the human body not having been able to adapt fully in the six or seven generations that have passed since the game was brought about.

I should write a book about how to kill discussion topics with posts like this one.

jimmysthebestcop · 07-21-2018, 07:16 PM

Matt Harvey was completely overrated though. Basically 1.5 MLB seasons of high pitching. He was good in minors at begging of the decade but he barely threw 250 innings combined at 3 levels in the minors.

A lot has to do with these pitchers mechanics of their wind up. Take Strasburg I said it when he popped into the league he is a pitcher that will never ever stay healthy. Because of his throwing motion. But he must have good dna that all these injuries haven't completely wrecked him yet.

Blame is these High School, College and Minor league coaches. The pitchers are so good and they know they will get drafted so they don't encourage them to learn better mechanics in fear they will stop being dominate.

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07-21-2018, 09:28 AM	#5
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 14,020	They didn't throw 95+ fifty years ago (with one or two exceptions maybe) and pitchers still fell by the wayside left and right, and there was no Tommy John surgery and myriads others to fix them. They had "soreness", and then they were gone. The human arm is an excellent construction for using tools, like a stick to hit fruits off a tree. These fruits were for consumption, not to be thrown as hard as possible to some location 60 feet away. Compared to evolution and walking upright in general, baseball has been a relatively recent invention, with the human body not having been able to adapt fully in the six or seven generations that have passed since the game was brought about. I should write a book about how to kill discussion topics with posts like this one. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 95 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 * 2071 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

07-21-2018, 09:11 AM	#4
Fronzizzle Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 177	Agree. Was watching the Tiger game last night, they had Joel Zumaya in the stands and did a quick interview. Even though he was just a reliever, I always wondered what he could have been had he stayed healthy. Pitchers get overworked, some breakdown once or twice and others just can't stay healthy at all - I don't think most arms/shoulders are meant to throw things 95+ mph. The thing that bums me out is the one semi-conclusive study shows that pitching while fatigued is major cause of injury, and you constantly see this college kids going 130+ pitches, then coming back 2-3 days later in relief.

07-21-2018, 07:16 PM	#6
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,727 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	Matt Harvey was completely overrated though. Basically 1.5 MLB seasons of high pitching. He was good in minors at begging of the decade but he barely threw 250 innings combined at 3 levels in the minors. A lot has to do with these pitchers mechanics of their wind up. Take Strasburg I said it when he popped into the league he is a pitcher that will never ever stay healthy. Because of his throwing motion. But he must have good dna that all these injuries haven't completely wrecked him yet. Blame is these High School, College and Minor league coaches. The pitchers are so good and they know they will get drafted so they don't encourage them to learn better mechanics in fear they will stop being dominate.