Question about historical players

jdw31158 · 06-18-2018, 05:38 PM

Do historical players always develop the way they did in real life, or is it kind of a random way they turn out? In other words, does somebody like Babe Ruth always turn into a superstar, or are there occasions where he winds up being a journeyman bench player?

mitchkenn · 06-18-2018, 06:56 PM

They GENERALLY they perform similar as in real life, but not always. i've never had Ruth hit .344 and hit 714 homers for a career, though he's always been well above average (.325 and 621 or so was best i can recall). Cy Young wins tons of games, but doesn't seem to dominate the league, though he seems to pitch forever, seldom getting hurt. Last sim i did in that era he played until 44.. Then, i've had Shoeless Joe Jackson lead the league in hitting 3 years in a row, nearing .400 a couple of times. Tris Speaker always seems to be good but not as great a hitter as he was in real life.

So, the players mostly are usually similar to real life, but not duplicates. i think they end up being a little less in the game than in real life, but ???? i haven't got anything written down to prove that suspicion.

scott1964 · 06-18-2018, 09:46 PM

It depends on how you run it. If you try to follow history and have the players retire around when they actually did, then they should be around what they did in real life. But if you are like me
and let things go as they may, you can see some weird stuff. In version 15 or 16 I had Walter Johnson win the most games and Cy Young did not do as good had he did in real life. If you do
not follow the real life pitching rotations (2 and 3 man rotations in the early years), then you may not get the 300 winning pitchers like Timothy Bond and John Clarkson, etc. In my current play
through, Clarkson will probably not win 300 games.

As of 1892

Real Life

Curve Ball Dave · 06-18-2018, 10:25 PM

I mix historical players with the current so I can have Mike Trout face Lefty Grove and the like. By in large, the HoFers I import tend to be among the best players in the league. However, if you use the OOTP development engine, their career arcs may be different from RL which is to say their time of peak performance may be shorter than what it was in real life. But, in some cases, they stay among the best in the league longer than they did in Real Life.

Right now, Christy Mathewson is the ranked as the best pitcher in my league. The AI was smart enough to make him the #1 overall pick in the Inaugural Draft. I'm six seasons in. He's won exactly 20 games twice, the other seasons he was in the high teens. His career ERA as of the moment is 2.38. Those numbers are not as good as what he actually did because the league is using modern total modifiers, so pitchers don't go 300+ innings and no one wins 30 games. However, in Real Life he struck out 4.7 batters per 9 innings. In my universe he's averaging 9.7. Different era, so he's out performing in that metric. So his performance in a modern era is still among the best compared to the other starting pitchers, but because it's a different era the actual numbers will not match what he did in his real career.

To give you an idea, among position players right now Francisco Lindor is ranked right ahead of Ken Griffey jr. and Honus Wagner is right ahead of Bryce Harper. To give you an idea

06-18-2018, 06:56 PM	#2
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,872	They GENERALLY they perform similar as in real life, but not always. i've never had Ruth hit .344 and hit 714 homers for a career, though he's always been well above average (.325 and 621 or so was best i can recall). Cy Young wins tons of games, but doesn't seem to dominate the league, though he seems to pitch forever, seldom getting hurt. Last sim i did in that era he played until 44.. Then, i've had Shoeless Joe Jackson lead the league in hitting 3 years in a row, nearing .400 a couple of times. Tris Speaker always seems to be good but not as great a hitter as he was in real life. So, the players mostly are usually similar to real life, but not duplicates. i think they end up being a little less in the game than in real life, but ???? i haven't got anything written down to prove that suspicion. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

06-18-2018, 09:46 PM	#3
scott1964 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 5,626	It depends on how you run it. If you try to follow history and have the players retire around when they actually did, then they should be around what they did in real life. But if you are like me and let things go as they may, you can see some weird stuff. In version 15 or 16 I had Walter Johnson win the most games and Cy Young did not do as good had he did in real life. If you do not follow the real life pitching rotations (2 and 3 man rotations in the early years), then you may not get the 300 winning pitchers like Timothy Bond and John Clarkson, etc. In my current play through, Clarkson will probably not win 300 games. As of 1892 Real Life __________________ This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles. PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.

06-18-2018, 10:25 PM	#4
Curve Ball Dave Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,393	I mix historical players with the current so I can have Mike Trout face Lefty Grove and the like. By in large, the HoFers I import tend to be among the best players in the league. However, if you use the OOTP development engine, their career arcs may be different from RL which is to say their time of peak performance may be shorter than what it was in real life. But, in some cases, they stay among the best in the league longer than they did in Real Life. Right now, Christy Mathewson is the ranked as the best pitcher in my league. The AI was smart enough to make him the #1 overall pick in the Inaugural Draft. I'm six seasons in. He's won exactly 20 games twice, the other seasons he was in the high teens. His career ERA as of the moment is 2.38. Those numbers are not as good as what he actually did because the league is using modern total modifiers, so pitchers don't go 300+ innings and no one wins 30 games. However, in Real Life he struck out 4.7 batters per 9 innings. In my universe he's averaging 9.7. Different era, so he's out performing in that metric. So his performance in a modern era is still among the best compared to the other starting pitchers, but because it's a different era the actual numbers will not match what he did in his real career. To give you an idea, among position players right now Francisco Lindor is ranked right ahead of Ken Griffey jr. and Honus Wagner is right ahead of Bryce Harper. To give you an idea __________________ "Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing"-Warren Spahn.

06-18-2018, 05:38 PM	#1
jdw31158 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 166	Question about historical players Do historical players always develop the way they did in real life, or is it kind of a random way they turn out? In other words, does somebody like Babe Ruth always turn into a superstar, or are there occasions where he winds up being a journeyman bench player?