Two Years - Terrible Pitching

SpartyQ · 05-28-2018, 12:35 AM

New to the game. I am the GM of the TIgers and while the talent level is certainly low, I am running into terrible pitching across all levels, from the majors to every single level of minors. My average SP ERA runs around 6.00 easily. My settings are very vanilla, left it as basic as I could and have hired the best coaches I could find, along with a 12M player development budget. The other teams in the majors have SP in a very normal range, 3's and 4's. I even signed Andrew Miller after season one and traded him halfway through season. He had a mid 5's ERA for me, and a mid 2's ERA for the team I traded him to.

Really not sure what to do here, but I am losing interest quickly unless this can be solved. I don't need to be the best at this point....it's a rebuild after all, but an ERA and WHIP that is WAY out of line with the rest of the league is not fun. Any suggestions? Thanks!

UltimateAverageGuy · 05-28-2018, 03:01 AM

lol

El Nino · 05-28-2018, 04:55 AM

Maybe the morale is bad and players are unhappy? Do you have leaders/captains in the clubhouse?

polydamas · 05-28-2018, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by El Nino

Maybe the morale is bad and players are unhappy? Do you have leaders/captains in the clubhouse?

It's either this or a combination of this and your organization's pitching being legit trash.

Lukas Berger · 05-28-2018, 06:23 AM

One thing to look at is what sort of defense you have.

Defense and pitching performance are very much linked and if you're sacrificing defense for batting, your pitching could also tend to suffer.

That's especially true if you're targeting pitchers with high control and low stuff f.e. as they're more defense dependent than high stuff pitchers are.

If your pitchers are generally under-performing across the board, improving your defense is very likely the quickest way to reverse that trend.

The good coaches and high development budget aren't a magic fix, in the end what matters most are the players you have.

The parks your teams play in will also affect how your players perform and players in Colorado, Colorado Springs, Lancaster, High Desert etc. will see better hitting and worse pitching performances than other players in the same leagues, as is realistic.

It's also worth looking at the sample sizes of the data you're evaluating. Over short periods of time even good pitchers can pitch badly and bad pitchers will pitch well. Things tend to even out over the long run though and the longer you give a player, in general, the more likely their stats will match their talent levels.

Plus there's always an element of chance involved. It could just be that the pitchers you drafted just aren't developing well over those years through some bad luck and chance.

So long story short, there's a lot that goes into this in game, just as in real life.

The game will never penalize you just for being a human, it's not going to make your players play worse than other players in the league just because. If they're performing worse over a long period of time, there's certainly a reason for it.

If what you're doing isn't working out how you'd expect or hope, then it's always a good idea to change your philosophy a bit and try drafting/signing some different types of players and building different types of teams and you may see different results.

Fronzizzle · 05-28-2018, 08:50 AM

So, I had the same issues/questions when I started the game:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ghlight=Tigers

I ended up getting a wild card in my 4th season after some trades and FA signings. Most of the current crop of Tiger pitching prospects didn't pan out, but Burrows became a stud, Manning was useable and Funkhouser actually pitched in my league until he was 40! Perez, Faedo and others, though...yuck. The rebuild will take time, especially with guys like Martinez, Cabrera and Zimmermann taking up salary space.

Regarding your Andrew Miller comment, I found that almost all studs I traded for or signed ended up way worse than they were previously, and then went back to being good once they left my team. Even worse, I'd keep a player for 4-5 years and they'd be average, then I'd deal them only to watch them become All-Stars:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=289828

It's funny, just after posting the above I managed to deal a couple of 3-star pitching prospects for some young position players that turned into complete studs, and I finally won a championship...in 2034. It might take some time...

3RunHomer · 05-28-2018, 08:55 AM

You’re not doing anything wrong. Detroit has a predetermined “storyline” in the program that dictates that they will be trash for the first few seasons. The AI adjusts all of your players to fit that storyline, even if they are Andrew Miller.

The same goes for Baltimore, Miami and San Diego. The only thing you can do is wait for the influence of the storyline program to run out around 2021.

JamesN · 05-28-2018, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3RunHomer

You’re not doing anything wrong. Detroit has a predetermined “storyline” in the program that dictates that they will be trash for the first few seasons. The AI adjusts all of your players to fit that storyline, even if they are Andrew Miller.

The same goes for Baltimore, Miami and San Diego. The only thing you can do is wait for the influence of the storyline program to run out around 2021.

Is this sarcasm or are you really naive enough to believe this?

Orcin · 05-28-2018, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3RunHomer

You’re not doing anything wrong. Detroit has a predetermined “storyline” in the program that dictates that they will be trash for the first few seasons. The AI adjusts all of your players to fit that storyline, even if they are Andrew Miller.

The same goes for Baltimore, Miami and San Diego. The only thing you can do is wait for the influence of the storyline program to run out around 2021.

Fake news.

wallewalls · 05-28-2018, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3RunHomer

You’re not doing anything wrong. Detroit has a predetermined “storyline” in the program that dictates that they will be trash for the first few seasons. The AI adjusts all of your players to fit that storyline, even if they are Andrew Miller.

The same goes for Baltimore, Miami and San Diego. The only thing you can do is wait for the influence of the storyline program to run out around 2021.

Funny, because I played a game with the Padres and overachieved with them in my first 2 seasons when I was trying to be bad. Got them into the playoffs by 2020

SpartyQ · 05-28-2018, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Nino

Maybe the morale is bad and players are unhappy? Do you have leaders/captains in the clubhouse?

Yes, McCann as leader - morale is decent despite losing a lot of games. No bad apples in the clubhouse...

OutS|der · 05-28-2018, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesN

Is this sarcasm or are you really naive enough to believe this?

If you press the Spacebar and spin around in your chair when pitching the game is predetermined to give you an automatic strike out.

It only happens 1 out of every 3 times you try this so it's not too obvious

It's really cool what they can program the game to do these days

damientheomen3 · 05-28-2018, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesN

Is this sarcasm or are you really naive enough to believe this?

Based on this guy's posts in the Orioles thread I think he's being serious.

I'll make sure to avoid nicknaming teams in my fictional leagues Tigers, Padres, Marlins or Orioles. Don't wanna run into some rogue coding predetermining these teams to be bad.

andyhdz · 05-29-2018, 03:43 PM

Heck i'm convinced that I lost my last 3 world series games because I was up 3 games to 1 but had to save and quit the game and come back later. Somehow my Mo was reset as well I'm sure of it.

05-28-2018, 12:35 AM	#1
SpartyQ Bat Boy Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 11	Two Years - Terrible Pitching New to the game. I am the GM of the TIgers and while the talent level is certainly low, I am running into terrible pitching across all levels, from the majors to every single level of minors. My average SP ERA runs around 6.00 easily. My settings are very vanilla, left it as basic as I could and have hired the best coaches I could find, along with a 12M player development budget. The other teams in the majors have SP in a very normal range, 3's and 4's. I even signed Andrew Miller after season one and traded him halfway through season. He had a mid 5's ERA for me, and a mid 2's ERA for the team I traded him to. Really not sure what to do here, but I am losing interest quickly unless this can be solved. I don't need to be the best at this point....it's a rebuild after all, but an ERA and WHIP that is WAY out of line with the rest of the league is not fun. Any suggestions? Thanks!

05-28-2018, 06:23 AM	#5
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,448	One thing to look at is what sort of defense you have. Defense and pitching performance are very much linked and if you're sacrificing defense for batting, your pitching could also tend to suffer. That's especially true if you're targeting pitchers with high control and low stuff f.e. as they're more defense dependent than high stuff pitchers are. If your pitchers are generally under-performing across the board, improving your defense is very likely the quickest way to reverse that trend. The good coaches and high development budget aren't a magic fix, in the end what matters most are the players you have. The parks your teams play in will also affect how your players perform and players in Colorado, Colorado Springs, Lancaster, High Desert etc. will see better hitting and worse pitching performances than other players in the same leagues, as is realistic. It's also worth looking at the sample sizes of the data you're evaluating. Over short periods of time even good pitchers can pitch badly and bad pitchers will pitch well. Things tend to even out over the long run though and the longer you give a player, in general, the more likely their stats will match their talent levels. Plus there's always an element of chance involved. It could just be that the pitchers you drafted just aren't developing well over those years through some bad luck and chance. So long story short, there's a lot that goes into this in game, just as in real life. The game will never penalize you just for being a human, it's not going to make your players play worse than other players in the league just because. If they're performing worse over a long period of time, there's certainly a reason for it. If what you're doing isn't working out how you'd expect or hope, then it's always a good idea to change your philosophy a bit and try drafting/signing some different types of players and building different types of teams and you may see different results. __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com PreOrder Out of the Park Baseball 26! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here Last edited by Lukas Berger; 05-28-2018 at 06:41 AM.

05-28-2018, 03:01 AM	#2
UltimateAverageGuy All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 588	lol

05-28-2018, 04:55 AM	#3
El Nino Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 25	Maybe the morale is bad and players are unhappy? Do you have leaders/captains in the clubhouse?

05-28-2018, 08:50 AM	#6
Fronzizzle Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 177	So, I had the same issues/questions when I started the game: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ghlight=Tigers I ended up getting a wild card in my 4th season after some trades and FA signings. Most of the current crop of Tiger pitching prospects didn't pan out, but Burrows became a stud, Manning was useable and Funkhouser actually pitched in my league until he was 40! Perez, Faedo and others, though...yuck. The rebuild will take time, especially with guys like Martinez, Cabrera and Zimmermann taking up salary space. Regarding your Andrew Miller comment, I found that almost all studs I traded for or signed ended up way worse than they were previously, and then went back to being good once they left my team. Even worse, I'd keep a player for 4-5 years and they'd be average, then I'd deal them only to watch them become All-Stars: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=289828 It's funny, just after posting the above I managed to deal a couple of 3-star pitching prospects for some young position players that turned into complete studs, and I finally won a championship...in 2034. It might take some time...

05-28-2018, 08:55 AM	#7
3RunHomer Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 23	You’re not doing anything wrong. Detroit has a predetermined “storyline” in the program that dictates that they will be trash for the first few seasons. The AI adjusts all of your players to fit that storyline, even if they are Andrew Miller. The same goes for Baltimore, Miami and San Diego. The only thing you can do is wait for the influence of the storyline program to run out around 2021.

05-29-2018, 03:43 PM	#14
andyhdz All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fresno, CA by way of Texas Posts: 1,754	Heck i'm convinced that I lost my last 3 world series games because I was up 3 games to 1 but had to save and quit the game and come back later. Somehow my Mo was reset as well I'm sure of it.