I apparently am not a good base stealing manager/coach

[jmknpk2]

platoon vsRHP CF T.J. Brown, RunSpeed 60, StealingBases 106, Baserunning 92. 87 hits, 3 SB, 1 CS.

starting C Jason Clark, RunSpeed 72, StealingBases 72, Baserunning 109: 122 hits, 1 SB, 3 CS.

I usually add up the pitcher's hold and catcher's throwing arm ratings.

Then I compare that to the sum of baserunner's Running Speed plus Stealing Bases ratings.

If the pitcherHold+CatcherThrowingArm add up to less than 100 and the RunningSpeed+StealingBases are greater, and there are less than two outs, then I try to steal.

In pitch-by-pitch mode, I swing away at the first pitch. It seems like when I try to steal on the first pitch, the result is almost always failure.
While the count remains to have as many balls as strikes and there are less than 2 strikes, I try to steal.

I think I've been snoozing as well and missed some opportunities.

Anybody willing to offer helpful tips?

[Dyzalot]

Originally Posted by jmknpk2

platoon vsRHP CF T.J. Brown, RunSpeed 60, StealingBases 106, Baserunning 92. 87 hits, 3 SB, 1 CS.

starting C Jason Clark, RunSpeed 72, StealingBases 72, Baserunning 109: 122 hits, 1 SB, 3 CS.

I usually add up the pitcher's hold and catcher's throwing arm ratings.

Then I compare that to the sum of baserunner's Running Speed plus Stealing Bases ratings.

If the pitcherHold+CatcherThrowingArm add up to less than 100 and the RunningSpeed+StealingBases are greater, and there are less than two outs, then I try to steal.

In pitch-by-pitch mode, I swing away at the first pitch. It seems like when I try to steal on the first pitch, the result is almost always failure.
While the count remains to have as many balls as strikes and there are less than 2 strikes, I try to steal.

I think I've been snoozing as well and missed some opportunities.

Anybody willing to offer helpful tips?

1st and most obvious tip is your threshold for stealing 2nd base with 2 outs should be lower, not higher than the threshold for stealing 2nd base with less than 2 outs.

[jmknpk2]

Maybe I didn't explain myself well. I never try to steal with two out.

[The Game]

My SB % when i play out games is probably at best 60%. i know I had one guy who was secretly fast and I had him steal 11 and cs 21 times.

[NoOne]

if it's an obvious steal situation, those are more difficult to finish. the % average of the league is most definiteyl lower in these situations.

the manger is more likely to use 'hold runner' etc etc..

catcher arm, pitcher's hold rating and manager's stragegy are all relevant.

baserunning won't matter for stealing.. just steal ability and speed.

~maintaining league average takes a much better than average player. the best stealers account for the bulk of attempts. 60% is probably pretty 'average' for most players.

even a 80/100spd and 80/100 stl ability can be a sub-league average % for some players. for others they will steal ~35-50 and get caught ~10-20.

experience may also be a factor. i've seen guys maintain ratings and get better over their first few years, then keep a higher percentage while player/team strategy also stayed consistent.

i've also seen vets witha track record and ~similar ratings be drastically different... there may be an under-the-hood component or maybe it was a physical characteristic i ignored (like height / weight?).

what i do: i let the ratings be the optimal situation, then i dial-down/up based on results. if they don't keep a good % i do it less often or not at all even if they look like good base stealers. once they prove they are low%, i don't bother.

[Dyzalot]

Originally Posted by jmknpk2

Maybe I didn't explain myself well. I never try to steal with two out.

You should be attempting to steal 2nd with 2 outs a higher percentage of the time than with less than 2 outs.

[zappa1]

I think the situation is just as important, if not more, than a pitcher's hold rating, catcher's throwing arm, or base runners steal and speed ratings.

What's the score? What inning is it? Who's at bat? Who's on deck? Is the pitcher a righty or a lefty? Some say this stuff doesn't matter. I most certainly think it does matter. Just my opinion.

[NoOne]

i'm been playing around with 'lesser' stealers to learn a bit more...

imo, you set aggressiveness 100% by stealing ability per player for best results... it doesn't matter how fast they are, except at the extremeties of the slider the % stays roughyl the ~same.

steal least possible (1tick not zero) or slide it to the most possible and the % may not remain as consistenct... more testing needed on that, a bit of an assumption.

i had a 30speed / >scale stealing ability and he was 18 / 0 caught when i bumped him from 1tick to 1/2 slider on stealing aggressiveness. he was ~8-9 / 0 caught at the midpoint as i bumped him up.

30 speed! so, ignore speed because that's just going to happen.. ie it will influence quantity but very little, if anything, to do % chance of success.

so, it's not your fault if they get thrown out 60% of the time no matter the frequency of attempts... i know the high-end guys defintieyl steal 80+% in my league even when "i" send them in a game being played out (not often anymore, but did and does work well).

if you want certain quality guys to behave differently than what you see, start slowly tweaking SB attempts and SB% League Total Modifier.

this is not 100% linear, especially if you change both at the same time. % will affect quantity and quantity will affect resulting %. i would suggest finding a quantity you want, then a %.. one at a time.

i/ve seen #'s do the opposite of what you'd expect(100-year average, not some 1 year b.s. data) so, something is wonky about it.. i thnk it steps as opposed to consistent change per ltm value. (the ranges may not be consecutive 1-2-3, maybe 1-5-10 etc with gaps between -- similar to balks if you've every messed with that LTM, so not impossible)

balks have low resolution power -- you change the ltm and it dos nothign for large stretches... then all of a sudden your consistent balk yearly average with a ~20-40 yearly ebb and flow and then it jumps ~50-70 from +.001 to the LTM and no way to get between those two ranges of results. (.001/~1.000 or whatever it currently is) * 300 is not ~50-70. an expected .3 change to average, if linear, is really ~70. slightly larger, and not randmness.