Aging/Development Modifiers

evanbarth · 10-12-2017, 04:28 PM

Wanted to ask one more time what people are using and whether any changes have been tested. Generally in other versions, aging has been turned down, development has been turned up, just curious with what people have found here.

Dyzalot · 10-12-2017, 05:17 PM

I leave it at default.

r0nster · 10-13-2017, 09:20 AM

I used to leave it at default ...I made changes in development speed and how slow they fall off. Instead of age 30 to 32 they fall now for me its 34-35 on average. Drawback is the rookies spend more time in Minors and run into rule 5 more often.

Sweed · 10-13-2017, 06:07 PM

I stay at default for two reasons.

First I trust Markus and Matt have tested it more than anyone else and I trust the numbers they come up with for a standard modern game. Of course it's great OOTP has so many options to customize the game so not saying anyone is wrong in tweaking their game. Could be some of those options end up throwing off career archs etc. so your(generic your) league doesn't behave like mine?

Second, I play out every game so I only get in 2 and sometimes three seasons per version. I then import that to the new version when it comes out and move on. Hardly worth doing 20 year tests and then applying that to my league when every year I get whatever tweaks Markus adds to the new version.

NoOne · 10-15-2017, 04:11 PM

default is great. i think i turn aging to .950? but the effect probabyl can't be noticed by the eye, so no real good reason why i do it ! (*aging slowed and dev sped up .050 - whether 1.050 or .950 i don't recall off the top of my head)

what people confuse is the TCR effect for aging/development along with scouting inaccuracy being a blurring effect.

i've recently turned down TCR (.250-.300ish?) and scouting accuracy low as possible... love the results and no reliance on a 'random' change. you can get good players later in draft than with higher accuracy settings -- significantly improved at the lowest setting.. gm's and scouts are simply wrong often as in real life about prospects.

i'm not a fan of tcr. a person doesn't randomly change their genetics and improve potential... if they improve somethign in their game that's current ability improving toward a ceiling of potential.

maybe if they become a crackhead like the Rangers slugger, that's a solid reason for a drop in potential, lol. i think it can go down, but no viable reason it should ever go up (potential that is).

The Game · 10-15-2017, 06:58 PM

I believe Deja Bru or David watts recommended these settings. i have been using them since at least 12.i use them in all leagues and have good results from them.

evanbarth · 10-16-2017, 12:59 PM

Curious, why the subtle change -- did it make a difference? more accurate?

dbqs · 10-16-2017, 01:26 PM

I like turning up development 5-10% and aging down 5-10% for long term games... a couple games I played a decade or two out with default settings it seemed like there weren't enough outliers as far as age went, not too many rookies being ready to play before age 24-25 or older guys whose stats didn't just dramatically drop off after 31-32.
It works well for the game but I thought it seemed more like reality if there were still some older guys hitting really well and rookies that broke out in their first or second year, as a whole.
I've always played with TCR on default tho. Maybe next time I'll try turning it and scouting accuracy down and leaving the aging/dev at default, that does indeed sound fun. Love how it all works together.

evanbarth · 10-16-2017, 02:10 PM

So what are you currently using, seems like you've tested it.

Hrycaj · 10-16-2017, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoOne

default is great. i think i turn aging to .950? but the effect probabyl can't be noticed by the eye, so no real good reason why i do it ! (*aging slowed and dev sped up .050 - whether 1.050 or .950 i don't recall off the top of my head)

what people confuse is the TCR effect for aging/development along with scouting inaccuracy being a blurring effect.

i've recently turned down TCR (.250-.300ish?) and scouting accuracy low as possible... love the results and no reliance on a 'random' change. you can get good players later in draft than with higher accuracy settings -- significantly improved at the lowest setting.. gm's and scouts are simply wrong often as in real life about prospects.

i'm not a fan of tcr. a person doesn't randomly change their genetics and improve potential... if they improve somethign in their game that's current ability improving toward a ceiling of potential.

maybe if they become a crackhead like the Rangers slugger, that's a solid reason for a drop in potential, lol. i think it can go down, but no viable reason it should ever go up (potential that is).

Interesting. Never looked at it that way. I have my TCR at 135 because I feel like we miss the boat on a lot of players at both ends of the spectrum. We have created threads on this very forum to discuss how we should adjust player ratings because suddenly they are the next Babe Ruth or Bob Gibson. We also have examples of players that have dropped like a stone for whatever reason that nobody would have projected. I guess I just view TCR with a different lens. Not that there is any right or wrong answer with this stuff.

evanbarth · 10-17-2017, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by evanbarth

Curious, why the subtle change -- did it make a difference? more accurate?

Any other thoughts?

10-12-2017, 04:28 PM	#1
evanbarth Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 328	Aging/Development Modifiers Wanted to ask one more time what people are using and whether any changes have been tested. Generally in other versions, aging has been turned down, development has been turned up, just curious with what people have found here.

10-15-2017, 06:58 PM	#6
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	I believe Deja Bru or David watts recommended these settings. i have been using them since at least 12.i use them in all leagues and have good results from them. Attached Images __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

10-12-2017, 05:17 PM	#2
Dyzalot All Star Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,740	I leave it at default.

10-13-2017, 09:20 AM	#3
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,082	I used to leave it at default ...I made changes in development speed and how slow they fall off. Instead of age 30 to 32 they fall now for me its 34-35 on average. Drawback is the rookies spend more time in Minors and run into rule 5 more often.

10-13-2017, 06:07 PM	#4
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,095	I stay at default for two reasons. First I trust Markus and Matt have tested it more than anyone else and I trust the numbers they come up with for a standard modern game. Of course it's great OOTP has so many options to customize the game so not saying anyone is wrong in tweaking their game. Could be some of those options end up throwing off career archs etc. so your(generic your) league doesn't behave like mine? Second, I play out every game so I only get in 2 and sometimes three seasons per version. I then import that to the new version when it comes out and move on. Hardly worth doing 20 year tests and then applying that to my league when every year I get whatever tweaks Markus adds to the new version.

10-15-2017, 04:11 PM	#5
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	default is great. i think i turn aging to .950? but the effect probabyl can't be noticed by the eye, so no real good reason why i do it ! (*aging slowed and dev sped up .050 - whether 1.050 or .950 i don't recall off the top of my head) what people confuse is the TCR effect for aging/development along with scouting inaccuracy being a blurring effect. i've recently turned down TCR (.250-.300ish?) and scouting accuracy low as possible... love the results and no reliance on a 'random' change. you can get good players later in draft than with higher accuracy settings -- significantly improved at the lowest setting.. gm's and scouts are simply wrong often as in real life about prospects. i'm not a fan of tcr. a person doesn't randomly change their genetics and improve potential... if they improve somethign in their game that's current ability improving toward a ceiling of potential. maybe if they become a crackhead like the Rangers slugger, that's a solid reason for a drop in potential, lol. i think it can go down, but no viable reason it should ever go up (potential that is).

10-16-2017, 12:59 PM	#7
evanbarth Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 328	Curious, why the subtle change -- did it make a difference? more accurate?

10-16-2017, 01:26 PM	#8
dbqs Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Comiskey Posts: 316	I like turning up development 5-10% and aging down 5-10% for long term games... a couple games I played a decade or two out with default settings it seemed like there weren't enough outliers as far as age went, not too many rookies being ready to play before age 24-25 or older guys whose stats didn't just dramatically drop off after 31-32. It works well for the game but I thought it seemed more like reality if there were still some older guys hitting really well and rookies that broke out in their first or second year, as a whole. I've always played with TCR on default tho. Maybe next time I'll try turning it and scouting accuracy down and leaving the aging/dev at default, that does indeed sound fun. Love how it all works together.

10-16-2017, 02:10 PM	#9
evanbarth Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 328	So what are you currently using, seems like you've tested it.