Help finding minor league staff?

nrmz · 12-22-2016, 11:11 AM

I just completed my first season and much of my minor league staff had their contracts expire. When searching for new coaches/managers there is a huge list. Whenever try to offer a contract to a good manager, they immediately say they are not interested. Is there a way to filter for those ONLY who would be interested in the position I am looking for?

Additionally, is there any information on the manager personality types and game styles?

cavebutter · 12-22-2016, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nrmz

I just completed my first season and much of my minor league staff had their contracts expire. When searching for new coaches/managers there is a huge list. Whenever try to offer a contract to a good manager, they immediately say they are not interested. Is there a way to filter for those ONLY who would be interested in the position I am looking for?

One of the unfortunate things about the change in the coaching system a few versions ago is that we only see the reputation of a coach rather than ratings of what he's good at. This makes it harder to find good minor league coaches because those with good reputations will not be as eager to work in the minors. That said, you will find quite a few who are willing to. Look for ones with fewer years of experience and good reputation.

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Additionally, is there any information on the manager personality types and game styles?

There's a little bit in the manual that addresses personnel characteristics. The game styles are labels for a set of strategic preferences a manager has. You can see those preferences underneath the manager label. For example, a manager with a game style of small ball will likely show a preference for sac bunts. By and large, between the description of the manager and the strategic preference sliders on his profile, you should quickly get a feel for what the game styles are.

WRT to personality, you'll get some insight into the effects that the different personalities have. For example, for a controlling manager, you might read that his temperament is good for keeping youngsters in line, but that veterans might not appreciate it. Personally, I don't pay much attention to the personality type of my manager beyond trying to have my bench coach complement my manager by being personable when my manager is not, and vice versa.

Bad Scooter · 07-15-2017, 04:04 PM

So I'm late to the game here, but here's a question...

Would the relationships tab in the coach's card help? If a coach is projected to have positive relationships/influences on the minor league team, would that be a good predictor of success?

NoOne · 07-19-2017, 02:49 PM

i think thats more for MLB -- as far as importance -- re-signing / morale etc.. either way that's a very small piece of the pie. the coach's ratings will be the biggest chunk of causality.

worry about appeasing the millionaires, not he kids on the farm when it comes to chemistry/morale.

one thing to try - if multiple A's or multiple R's leagues, do a contact focus and patience focus at each... send the weak patience players to the patience focus etc etc..

since i only have 1 AA/AAA league, i prefer neutral foci of those coaches. although with batters i do a 'power' focus at one or the other... and i almost exclusively use power-pitchers so i do that often (but, if oyu don't you should not) -- all reasonings relative -translate to "you" as needed

also, don't worry about the head coach game strategies... winning < development as far as importance. i don't even worry about their lineups at all in minors... settings force 'potential' to play no matter what (if you want).

Bad Scooter · 07-19-2017, 07:26 PM

[QUOTE=NoOne;4217796]i think thats more for MLB -- as far as importance -- re-signing / morale etc.. either way that's a very small piece of the pie. the coach's ratings will be the biggest chunk of causality.

worry about appeasing the millionaires, not he kids on the farm when it comes to chemistry/morale.

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Originally Posted by NoOne

one thing to try - if multiple A's or multiple R's leagues, do a contact focus and patience focus at each... send the weak patience players to the patience focus etc etc..

Aaah! I like it. Good idea.

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Originally Posted by NoOne

also, don't worry about the head coach game strategies... winning < development as far as importance. i don't even worry about their lineups at all in minors... settings force 'potential' to play no matter what (if you want).

Yes, I have the settings set to "potential." And I stay away from the lineups in the minors.

Thanks!

Bad Scooter · 07-20-2017, 01:12 PM

Another question: what's the general philosophy of promoting coaches within the system?

Should you promote the more skilled ones to the higher levels? Or keep them at the lower levels where they can start teaching the newcomers?

Is it better to retain poor coaches for a few years, or replace them whenever you can with someone better?

pgjocki · 07-21-2017, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad Scooter

Another question: what's the general philosophy of promoting coaches within the system?

Should you promote the more skilled ones to the higher levels? Or keep them at the lower levels where they can start teaching the newcomers?

Is it better to retain poor coaches for a few years, or replace them whenever you can with someone better?

It depends...

I promote some coach's if they are rated higher for veterans and if I hired them cheaper than what I can get a new coach. Example: a decently rated hitting coach for A ball wants $100k salary, but if I offer him a spot on AA team his demand is $150k. So, I hire at A ball at lower salary then promote. Then I hire a replacement at A ball.

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NoOne · 07-21-2017, 11:30 AM

since reputation is purely about results, it has essentailly no correlation to the coach's ratings. there's nothing you can do of value as far as glimpsing what these ratings are through any feedback given. the way i do it, cheat... i look at the coach's ratings

as far as a head coach in the majors -- the opposite of what i said above. i'd worry less about the ratings and more about strategies. look at their sample lineup and bullpen -- mostly the lineup will change. conventional vs saber vs tact vs smallball etc all have slightly different ways of setting a lineup -- in some cases you'll see a couple of them often are the same, but if you look through enough teams you'll see that it does deviate between all of them at some point.

if you control lineups as a gm, then i'd get the style that you prefer and not worry about the sample lineups... the style will greatly influence the game strategies, unless you edit those that's probably important to you.

relationships are the other thing to check. if it's only going to be ~5 years i would worry much... if it's a young coach and a keeper, then you may need to take heed of which players dislike him... they may not want to re-sign, extend cheaply, or even sign as a FA.

When you need a coach with decent ratings, "right personality" = a team with a bunch of malcontents, weak leadership and great talent.... a controlling coach is more likely to overcome whatever problems bad team chemistry can cause along the way.... until you win enough and everyone is happy (~.600 clip, or a bit less with recent success included).

player retention isnt a concern in minors, while development is... these forces reverse by the time you get to the majors and FA for players.

player's work ethic will maintain ratings in majors... they aren't developing anymore, so teaching can't help too much, eh? handle players becomes more important, though. small market, many kids and you worry a bit mroe about teaching, too... everythiing relative to the forces at play and how you prefer to go about things in many cases

Bad Scooter · 07-21-2017, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

since reputation is purely about results, it has essentailly no correlation to the coach's ratings. there's nothing you can do of value as far as glimpsing what these ratings are through any feedback given. the way i do it, cheat... i look at the coach's ratings

I know how to see the ratings of available personnel, but what about the staff and coaching personnel currently in my minor league system. Where do I find those?

NoOne · 07-21-2017, 12:44 PM

?

front office -> personnell

that lists them, can click names just as any other coach, or promove/demote etc -- that page. but, where do you see those ratings? (or do you mean you look at them in the editor?)

comissioner mode must be on, click the coach, then editor tab just like a player, but a bit different once you get there.

Bad Scooter · 07-21-2017, 06:00 PM

My bad. I was getting the coaches confused with scouts and their tendencies/values.

12-22-2016, 11:11 AM	#1
nrmz Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1	Help finding minor league staff? I just completed my first season and much of my minor league staff had their contracts expire. When searching for new coaches/managers there is a huge list. Whenever try to offer a contract to a good manager, they immediately say they are not interested. Is there a way to filter for those ONLY who would be interested in the position I am looking for? Additionally, is there any information on the manager personality types and game styles?

07-21-2017, 11:30 AM	#8
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	since reputation is purely about results, it has essentailly no correlation to the coach's ratings. there's nothing you can do of value as far as glimpsing what these ratings are through any feedback given. the way i do it, cheat... i look at the coach's ratings as far as a head coach in the majors -- the opposite of what i said above. i'd worry less about the ratings and more about strategies. look at their sample lineup and bullpen -- mostly the lineup will change. conventional vs saber vs tact vs smallball etc all have slightly different ways of setting a lineup -- in some cases you'll see a couple of them often are the same, but if you look through enough teams you'll see that it does deviate between all of them at some point. if you control lineups as a gm, then i'd get the style that you prefer and not worry about the sample lineups... the style will greatly influence the game strategies, unless you edit those that's probably important to you. relationships are the other thing to check. if it's only going to be ~5 years i would worry much... if it's a young coach and a keeper, then you may need to take heed of which players dislike him... they may not want to re-sign, extend cheaply, or even sign as a FA. When you need a coach with decent ratings, "right personality" = a team with a bunch of malcontents, weak leadership and great talent.... a controlling coach is more likely to overcome whatever problems bad team chemistry can cause along the way.... until you win enough and everyone is happy (~.600 clip, or a bit less with recent success included). player retention isnt a concern in minors, while development is... these forces reverse by the time you get to the majors and FA for players. player's work ethic will maintain ratings in majors... they aren't developing anymore, so teaching can't help too much, eh? handle players becomes more important, though. small market, many kids and you worry a bit mroe about teaching, too... everythiing relative to the forces at play and how you prefer to go about things in many cases Last edited by NoOne; 07-21-2017 at 11:33 AM.

07-15-2017, 04:04 PM	#3
Bad Scooter Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 74	So I'm late to the game here, but here's a question... Would the relationships tab in the coach's card help? If a coach is projected to have positive relationships/influences on the minor league team, would that be a good predictor of success?

07-19-2017, 02:49 PM	#4
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	i think thats more for MLB -- as far as importance -- re-signing / morale etc.. either way that's a very small piece of the pie. the coach's ratings will be the biggest chunk of causality. worry about appeasing the millionaires, not he kids on the farm when it comes to chemistry/morale. one thing to try - if multiple A's or multiple R's leagues, do a contact focus and patience focus at each... send the weak patience players to the patience focus etc etc.. since i only have 1 AA/AAA league, i prefer neutral foci of those coaches. although with batters i do a 'power' focus at one or the other... and i almost exclusively use power-pitchers so i do that often (but, if oyu don't you should not) -- all reasonings relative -translate to "you" as needed also, don't worry about the head coach game strategies... winning < development as far as importance. i don't even worry about their lineups at all in minors... settings force 'potential' to play no matter what (if you want).

07-20-2017, 01:12 PM	#6
Bad Scooter Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 74	Another question: what's the general philosophy of promoting coaches within the system? Should you promote the more skilled ones to the higher levels? Or keep them at the lower levels where they can start teaching the newcomers? Is it better to retain poor coaches for a few years, or replace them whenever you can with someone better?

07-21-2017, 12:44 PM	#10
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	? front office -> personnell that lists them, can click names just as any other coach, or promove/demote etc -- that page. but, where do you see those ratings? (or do you mean you look at them in the editor?) comissioner mode must be on, click the coach, then editor tab just like a player, but a bit different once you get there.

07-21-2017, 06:00 PM	#11
Bad Scooter Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 74	My bad. I was getting the coaches confused with scouts and their tendencies/values.