Can we still disable the 2012/2016 CBAs?

tejdog1 · 01-20-2017, 09:31 PM

Please.

Edit: another question. Is it possible to make the DSL/VSL optional? Or is it possible to dump all the drafted players in the GCL instead of the DSL/VSL?

jpeters1734 · 01-20-2017, 10:40 PM

I always delete the dsl.

Cryomaniac · 01-21-2017, 02:14 AM

In previous versions you can disable the 2012 CBA, so I dont see why you wouldnt be able to disable the 2016 one.

Markus Heinsohn · 01-21-2017, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

In previous versions you can disable the 2012 CBA, so I dont see why you wouldnt be able to disable the 2016 one.

This, you will be able to switch between the CBA options. At least that is the plan...

actionjackson · 01-21-2017, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

This, you will be able to switch between the CBA options. At least that is the plan...

Great. I like the pre-2012 CBA options.

Le Grande Orange · 01-21-2017, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Great. I like the pre-2012 CBA options.

It'd be even better if you could choose the 1976-79 CBA, or the 1980/81-1984 CBA, or the 1985-89 CBA, or the 1990-93 CBA, etc.

There have been six distinct models of free agency arising from the various CBAs, with each presenting different GM-ing challenges. It'd be nice for users to have that choice of challenge.

mitchkenn · 01-21-2017, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

It'd be even better if you could choose the 1976-79 CBA, or the 1980/81-1984 CBA, or the 1985-89 CBA, or the 1990-93 CBA, etc.

There have been six distinct models of free agency arising from the various CBAs, with each presenting different GM-ing challenges. It'd be nice for users to have that choice of challenge.

i agree.

Le Grande Orange · 01-21-2017, 03:05 PM

The initial form of free agency established in 1976 would no doubt seem strange to contemporary followers of the process:

The free agent players went through a re-entry draft whereby interested clubs selected the players with whom they wanted to negotiate. The draft order was in reverse order of the season's standing, alternating by league. A player could be selected by a maximum of half the teams in MLB (with the proviso the player's former club always retained negotiation rights and didn't need to select the player).

Compensation for lost free agents was the club's highest available pick in the amateur draft, with the proviso those clubs selecting in the top half lost their second round pick first. For the purposes of ordering the gaining of picks for a lost player, players were ranked by the number of clubs which selected them in the re-entry draft.

bwburke94 · 01-22-2017, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

Please.

Edit: another question. Is it possible to make the DSL/VSL optional? Or is it possible to dump all the drafted players in the GCL instead of the DSL/VSL?

VSL folded, so it's not a problem. DSL can just be straight deleted, but the players in the league would become free agents.

jpeters1734 · 01-22-2017, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

VSL folded, so it's not a problem. DSL can just be straight deleted, but the players in the league would become free agents.

Just mass promote them before you delete it

PoopyJoe69 · 01-22-2017, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Just mass promote them before you delete it

Why all the people removing the DSL?

LunchBox · 01-23-2017, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PoopyJoe69

Why all the people removing the DSL?

because the game tends to make it the defacto lowest league and all players drafted in the amatuer draft in june end up down there, as do some players who were at rookie level, sometimes higher, during previous seasons.... which is not what the DSL is for, by definition it for...

Player Eligibility Rule: No player on the Active List may have four or more years of prior Minor League Service. In addition, no Draft-eligible player from the U.S. or Canada (not including players from Puerto Rico) may participate in the DSL. No age limits apply.

tejdog1 · 01-24-2017, 05:55 AM

I was all for it when it was announced as a feature, but the reality is that it's mostly there for clutter. Does anyone actually legit use it as a development stop for prospects? And if you do - why not just use the GCL? The extreme slight league modifier differential shouldn't matter in the slightest, right? IMO, and of course MO means very little, but IMO the DSL sounded great in concept, but it's just unnecessary in practice.

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 01-24-2017, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LunchBox

because the game tends to make it the defacto lowest league and all players drafted in the amatuer draft in june end up down there, as do some players who were at rookie level, sometimes higher, during previous seasons.... which is not what the DSL is for, by definition it for...

Player Eligibility Rule: No player on the Active List may have four or more years of prior Minor League Service. In addition, no Draft-eligible player from the U.S. or Canada (not including players from Puerto Rico) may participate in the DSL. No age limits apply.

Pretty sure the DSL & AFL are used the same way in 17 (as a minor league system) which caused teams like the Red Sox to have up to 5/6 lowest minor league clubs which was frustrating to manage to say the least.

jpeters1734 · 01-24-2017, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LunchBox

because the game tends to make it the defacto lowest league and all players drafted in the amatuer draft in june end up down there, as do some players who were at rookie level, sometimes higher, during previous seasons.... which is not what the DSL is for, by definition it for...

Player Eligibility Rule: No player on the Active List may have four or more years of prior Minor League Service. In addition, no Draft-eligible player from the U.S. or Canada (not including players from Puerto Rico) may participate in the DSL. No age limits apply.

exactly this. It also doesn't make sense to have an international complex and the DSL.

If there was a way to keep drafted players out of it, and a way to mass promote all the complex guys, I'd love to use it

homerj · 01-24-2017, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

exactly this. It also doesn't make sense to have an international complex and the DSL.

If there was a way to keep drafted players out of it, and a way to mass promote all the complex guys, I'd love to use it

The game already determines if a player is eligible based on a number of factors such as age, service time, and even nationality in some aspects. I would think it would be trivial to add a "was draft eligible" status to eligibility.

Blackened30 · 01-24-2017, 04:16 PM

I find the DSL to be a useful league level. When my scouting discoveries reach 18-ish, or if their ratings are decent when younger, they get sent to the DSL to play and begin generating stats. I'll also send very low current but high potential international draft guys, as well as some american draft guys who I don't have room for in the standard rookie ball league, but who I want to find playing time for.

My biggest issue with the DSL level is that the game currently counts playing there as professional service time, when in reality, it should not.

jpeters1734 · 01-24-2017, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by homerj

The game already determines if a player is eligible based on a number of factors such as age, service time, and even nationality in some aspects. I would think it would be trivial to add a "was draft eligible" status to eligibility.

I'm super confused by your statement. The DSL in the game absolutely does not determine DSL eligibility by anything by default. Keeping draftees out of the DSL is not trivial. It's a real rule

homerj · 01-24-2017, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I'm super confused by your statement. The DSL in the game absolutely does not determine DSL eligibility by anything by default. Keeping draftees out of the DSL is not trivial. It's a real rule

I should clarify. I meant for any given league as a general rule, just not the DSL. Setting a service time limits, max age limits, is something that we can already set for rules for eligibility. There should be a new option in the league rules in the same section "was draft eligible" as an option to check or uncheck.

The best that can be done now with respect to the DSL, is set the region to "AMERICA: Caribbean" and not allow foreign players. A more fine tuned option would be to create a region directly in the world_default.xml file that was everything not the US and Canada.

01-20-2017, 09:31 PM	#1
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,654	Can we still disable the 2012/2016 CBAs? Please. Edit: another question. Is it possible to make the DSL/VSL optional? Or is it possible to dump all the drafted players in the GCL instead of the DSL/VSL? __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade Last edited by tejdog1; 01-20-2017 at 09:34 PM.

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01-21-2017, 03:05 PM	#8
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	The initial form of free agency established in 1976 would no doubt seem strange to contemporary followers of the process: The free agent players went through a re-entry draft whereby interested clubs selected the players with whom they wanted to negotiate. The draft order was in reverse order of the season's standing, alternating by league. A player could be selected by a maximum of half the teams in MLB (with the proviso the player's former club always retained negotiation rights and didn't need to select the player). Compensation for lost free agents was the club's highest available pick in the amateur draft, with the proviso those clubs selecting in the top half lost their second round pick first. For the purposes of ordering the gaining of picks for a lost player, players were ranked by the number of clubs which selected them in the re-entry draft. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 01-21-2017 at 03:07 PM.

01-24-2017, 05:55 AM	#13
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,654	I was all for it when it was announced as a feature, but the reality is that it's mostly there for clutter. Does anyone actually legit use it as a development stop for prospects? And if you do - why not just use the GCL? The extreme slight league modifier differential shouldn't matter in the slightest, right? IMO, and of course MO means very little, but IMO the DSL sounded great in concept, but it's just unnecessary in practice. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

01-24-2017, 04:16 PM	#17
Blackened30 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lake Elsinore, CA Posts: 22	I find the DSL to be a useful league level. When my scouting discoveries reach 18-ish, or if their ratings are decent when younger, they get sent to the DSL to play and begin generating stats. I'll also send very low current but high potential international draft guys, as well as some american draft guys who I don't have room for in the standard rookie ball league, but who I want to find playing time for. My biggest issue with the DSL level is that the game currently counts playing there as professional service time, when in reality, it should not. Last edited by Blackened30; 01-24-2017 at 04:18 PM.