Catcher's response

drksd4848 · 05-09-2016, 06:25 PM

When you click on "visit mound", you get a dialog box that says, "I'm perfectly fine" or "I've got enough for a few more hitters" etc.

We all know most pitchers are basically BS artists when it comes to revealing their condition (read: Matt Harvey, world series)

How about we get the catchers response as well? So we get two responses in the dialog box: for example, your starting pitcher is getting shellacked in the 3rd inning. In the dialog box, the pitcher gives you his BS response:

"I'm perfectly fine!"

Then the catcher gives the real answer:

"He's got nothing tonight. Get him gone."

*or*

"This guy has a rag arm. Why is he still on the mound?"

*or*

He's got good stuff tonight, he just needs to settle down.

Cool right? More immersion!

jpeters1734 · 05-09-2016, 06:39 PM

it would be cool if the different personality types factored into how the pitcher responds. a greedy player, with low desire to win would probably want taken out to not damage his stock.

A player with a high desire to win would probably be too competitive to easily come off the mound.

A player that has a history of injuries would also be more willing to comet, where a iron man would feel invincible.

MrBojangles · 05-20-2016, 02:39 AM

I love this idea! I would add so much to the game and decision-making! Maybe your pitching coach could chime in with advice too?

PutIntoPlay · 05-20-2016, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBojangles

I love this idea! I would add so much to the game and decision-making! Maybe your pitching coach could chime in with advice too?

Absolutely! Pitching Coach AND Catcher should be added to this. And considering the leadership, personality, and influence characteristics of catchers currently in-game, I'm led to believe that portion alone should be easy enough to add in.

Great idea!

jmolony3 · 05-20-2016, 11:56 PM

I've thrown four pitches and I'm losing 3-0," Ford recalled. "Out to the mound comes (manager Casey) Stengel and he asks Yogi, 'What kind of stuff has he (Ford) got?' And Yogi says, 'How the hell do I know? I haven't caught one yet!'

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jmolony3 · 05-21-2016, 12:04 AM

I like this idea the accuracy of the Cather could be related to the catchers personality ratings.

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PutIntoPlay · 06-08-2016, 02:24 PM

I suppose in considering this improvement, is now the catcher as a position plays a potentially more important role than other players on the team. I would say that mimics real life, so a team may have to keep a particular catcher to keep part, or all of their pitching staff happy, even if that catcher is hitting .183 and hasn't batted in a run since the Microsoft stock scandal. Definitely should be added though!

hockeyman001 · 06-18-2016, 04:16 AM

Hah. Makes me think of this...Who was the pitcher that his manager came out to remove him, so he said, "I'm not tired at all!" and the manager said "The outfielders are" and took him out.

HuachucaThunder · 07-05-2016, 12:36 AM

Jim Kern

T-Bone · 07-15-2016, 04:13 PM

This was on the old EA Earl Weaver Baseball. It was a good feature and would be welcome here.

RchW · 07-15-2016, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

it would be cool if the different personality types factored into how the pitcher responds. a greedy player, with low desire to win would probably want taken out to not damage his stock.

A player with a high desire to win would probably be too competitive to easily come off the mound.

A player that has a history of injuries would also be more willing to comet, where a iron man would feel invincible.

I'd hate this. Personality types are far more subtle than that. For example one could argue that a high desire to win and intelligence would cause a pitcher to welcome relief if he is tired. If it was a one-way street like that the game would become a joke. I'm reminded of the ultra competitive John Lackey arguing to be left in and promptly giving up the eventual winning runs. Most athletes are duplicitous, they play that game no matter what their personality is and generally rely on a coach/manager to make the decision for them so they don't appear to ask out.

I'd submit that a healthy fragile pitcher with sufficient stamina should behave no differently than an iron man. It's an attribute not a rating.

LouGerig_IronHorse · 09-02-2016, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jmolony3

I've thrown four pitches and I'm losing 3-0," Ford recalled. "Out to the mound comes (manager Casey) Stengel and he asks Yogi, 'What kind of stuff has he (Ford) got?' And Yogi says, 'How the hell do I know? I haven't caught one yet!'

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Leave it to Yogi!!

LouGerig_IronHorse · 09-02-2016, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jmolony3

I like this idea the accuracy of the Cather could be related to the catchers personality ratings.

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Personality rating and his overall status (experience). A sure-fire HOFer (Carlton Fisk, for example) would likely carry more weight than the rookie call-up from AAA who's in the lineup because the starting catcher is injured and the backup guy caught the first game of a double-header.

RubeBaker · 09-23-2016, 11:24 PM

I remember a Reds pitcher, I think it was Pat Darcy, telling a story on MLB Network a few years ago about how Sparky Anderson came out to the mound to take him out of a game. He said, "Sparky, you can't take me out of this game. I'm fine. I feel great." Sparky replied, "You'll feel a lot better after taking a shower."

chief915 · 10-12-2016, 07:09 PM

I think this would be a great idea..... Along with the input from the catcher / pitching coach.....

1) Something along the lines of a possible (doesn't happen with every visit) positive or negative boost (temporary, lasting between a few pitches and an inning or two) to stamina and/or ratings, composure, etc based on the game situation, the pitchers ratings/morale/personality, the batters ratings, the coaches temperament, etc......

2) One way to trigger that +/- boost would be to have a choice of 3 things to "say" during the mound visit..... 1) positive encouragement (just relax, a double play and you're out of this jam) 2) negative encouragement (get your stuff together and throw strikes or I'm going to send you to the minors) 3) How do you feel / I'm just letting the reliever finish warming up. Again, the results of which you choose to say could be determined by the morale/personality and "history" (is the pitcher a veteran HOF candidate or a September call up rookie...) of the pitcher and manager..... Adding another bit of "strategy" into the decision......

Bottom line being, with the current system, the only reason for a mound visit is to warm up a reliever a bit more before a change.

You have a pitcher who's pitching very badly, 3 IP, 6 hits, 5 walks.......you visit the mound and he says "I'm perfectly fine, let me pitch please!"..... Obviously you're not "perfectly fine".... but the only option you have is to replace him or let him keep pitching and hope it works out.

I hope that makes sense

MrBojangles · 10-14-2016, 12:51 AM

Fantastic idea!!!
I hope they can implement this.

ianthemaloney · 10-16-2016, 05:00 PM

Great Idea!
I really hope that they can do this

BURNS81 · 10-18-2016, 02:23 PM

This really is an excellent idea. Strong work

05-09-2016, 06:25 PM	#1
drksd4848 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,891	Catcher's response When you click on "visit mound", you get a dialog box that says, "I'm perfectly fine" or "I've got enough for a few more hitters" etc. We all know most pitchers are basically BS artists when it comes to revealing their condition (read: Matt Harvey, world series) How about we get the catchers response as well? So we get two responses in the dialog box: for example, your starting pitcher is getting shellacked in the 3rd inning. In the dialog box, the pitcher gives you his BS response: *"I'm perfectly fine!"* Then the catcher gives the real answer: *"He's got nothing tonight. Get him gone."* or "This guy has a rag arm. Why is he still on the mound?" or *He's got good stuff tonight, he just needs to settle down.* Cool right? More immersion!

05-09-2016, 06:39 PM	#2
jpeters1734 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Juust a bit outside... Posts: 6,235	it would be cool if the different personality types factored into how the pitcher responds. a greedy player, with low desire to win would probably want taken out to not damage his stock. A player with a high desire to win would probably be too competitive to easily come off the mound. A player that has a history of injuries would also be more willing to comet, where a iron man would feel invincible. __________________ "Cannonball Coming!" Go Bucs!! Founder and League Caretaker of the Professional Baseball Circuit, www.probaseballcircuit.com An Un-Official Guide to Minor League Management in OOTP 21 Ratings Scale Conversion Cross-Reference Cheat Sheet

05-20-2016, 02:39 AM	#3
MrBojangles All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: low and inside Posts: 568	I love this idea! I would add so much to the game and decision-making! Maybe your pitching coach could chime in with advice too?

05-20-2016, 11:56 PM	#5
jmolony3 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 190	I've thrown four pitches and I'm losing 3-0," Ford recalled. "Out to the mound comes (manager Casey) Stengel and he asks Yogi, 'What kind of stuff has he (Ford) got?' And Yogi says, 'How the hell do I know? I haven't caught one yet!' Couldn't help posting this quote from whitey ford about Yogi Berra Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

05-21-2016, 12:04 AM	#6
jmolony3 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 190	I like this idea the accuracy of the Cather could be related to the catchers personality ratings. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

06-08-2016, 02:24 PM	#7
PutIntoPlay Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Seattle Metro Posts: 19	I suppose in considering this improvement, is now the catcher as a position plays a potentially more important role than other players on the team. I would say that mimics real life, so a team may have to keep a particular catcher to keep part, or all of their pitching staff happy, even if that catcher is hitting .183 and hasn't batted in a run since the Microsoft stock scandal. Definitely should be added though!

06-18-2016, 04:16 AM	#8
hockeyman001 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 33	Hah. Makes me think of this...Who was the pitcher that his manager came out to remove him, so he said, "I'm not tired at all!" and the manager said "The outfielders are" and took him out.

07-05-2016, 12:36 AM	#9
HuachucaThunder Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 211	Jim Kern

07-15-2016, 04:13 PM	#10
T-Bone Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Freehold Posts: 159	This was on the old EA Earl Weaver Baseball. It was a good feature and would be welcome here.

09-23-2016, 11:24 PM	#14
RubeBaker All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: USA Posts: 642	I remember a Reds pitcher, I think it was Pat Darcy, telling a story on MLB Network a few years ago about how Sparky Anderson came out to the mound to take him out of a game. He said, "Sparky, you can't take me out of this game. I'm fine. I feel great." Sparky replied, "You'll feel a lot better after taking a shower."

10-12-2016, 07:09 PM	#15
chief915 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Kentucky Posts: 32	I think this would be a great idea..... Along with the input from the catcher / pitching coach..... 1) Something along the lines of a possible (doesn't happen with every visit) positive or negative boost (temporary, lasting between a few pitches and an inning or two) to stamina and/or ratings, composure, etc based on the game situation, the pitchers ratings/morale/personality, the batters ratings, the coaches temperament, etc...... 2) One way to trigger that +/- boost would be to have a choice of 3 things to "say" during the mound visit..... 1) positive encouragement (just relax, a double play and you're out of this jam) 2) negative encouragement (get your stuff together and throw strikes or I'm going to send you to the minors) 3) How do you feel / I'm just letting the reliever finish warming up. Again, the results of which you choose to say could be determined by the morale/personality and "history" (is the pitcher a veteran HOF candidate or a September call up rookie...) of the pitcher and manager..... Adding another bit of "strategy" into the decision...... Bottom line being, with the current system, the only reason for a mound visit is to warm up a reliever a bit more before a change. You have a pitcher who's pitching very badly, 3 IP, 6 hits, 5 walks.......you visit the mound and he says "I'm perfectly fine, let me pitch please!"..... Obviously you're not "perfectly fine".... but the only option you have is to replace him or let him keep pitching and hope it works out. I hope that makes sense

10-14-2016, 12:51 AM	#16
MrBojangles All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: low and inside Posts: 568	Fantastic idea!!! I hope they can implement this.

10-16-2016, 05:00 PM	#17
ianthemaloney Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 15	Great Idea! I really hope that they can do this

10-18-2016, 02:23 PM	#18
BURNS81 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 187	This really is an excellent idea. Strong work