Wild Pitch Outs

sreem · 10-06-2016, 05:13 PM

Has anyone ever seen a runner thrown out (either at home or another base) on a wild pitch in 3D mode? (Not talking about dropped 3rd strikes)

Noone_Uknow · 10-06-2016, 05:17 PM

I have never seen a player called out on a Wild Pitch or Passed Ball...

sreem · 10-06-2016, 05:47 PM

Didn't think so. Do you know if that is by design?

SteveP · 10-06-2016, 06:00 PM

By definition, it isn't a wild pitch or a passed ball unless the runner advances.

The game does not include a "runner out advancing" play, which is what it would be if the ball got away from the catcher and the runner was thrown out. A "runner out stealing" would amount to the same thing, though it doesn't seem so when you are playing 3D. Maybe that will change in some future version of the game.

sreem · 10-07-2016, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

By definition, it isn't a wild pitch or a passed ball unless the runner advances.

The game does not include a "runner out advancing" play, which is what it would be if the ball got away from the catcher and the runner was thrown out. A "runner out stealing" would amount to the same thing, though it doesn't seem so when you are playing 3D. Maybe that will change in some future version of the game.

I've seen guys get thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double, or going 2nd to home. Wouldn't that be the same as "runner out advancing"?

Cryomaniac · 10-07-2016, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

By definition, it isn't a wild pitch or a passed ball unless the runner advances.

The game does not include a "runner out advancing" play, which is what it would be if the ball got away from the catcher and the runner was thrown out. A "runner out stealing" would amount to the same thing, though it doesn't seem so when you are playing 3D. Maybe that will change in some future version of the game.

Me (and others) have been asking for this play to be included for years.

MrBojangles · 10-07-2016, 10:39 PM

I'd been wondering about this. My 3D graphics almost always show the catcher's throw to the pitcher covering home plate beating the runner - but he's always safe.

SteveP · 10-09-2016, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sreem

I've seen guys get thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double, or going 2nd to home. Wouldn't that be the same as "runner out advancing"?

No, because it is part of the same play. "Runner Out Advancing" is a distinct play. At least that is the way I think of it.

RchW · 10-09-2016, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

No, because it is part of the same play. "Runner Out Advancing" is a distinct play. At least that is the way I think of it.

We had a thread on this in 2012 and there was no real data.
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ould-game.html

Now BR has a stat OOB for outs on base but it includes

Advancing on FB see LD
getting thrown out as a runner
stretching on a hit
Doubled off on LD 621
Advancing on WP PB

Does not include pick offs caught stealing or force outs

With all that included OOB is rare 1/2.97games in 2016 or 1632 times in 4856 games, but 621 were either FB or LDP. If one were to say advancing on a WP/PB were 1/2 the remainder (1011) then the rate would be 1/9.6 games. I'm not sure there are that many outs on WP/PB

See chart

Cryomaniac · 10-10-2016, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

We had a thread on this in 2012 and there was no real data.
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ould-game.html

Now BR has a stat OOB for outs on base but it includes

Advancing on FB see LD
getting thrown out as a runner
stretching on a hit
Doubled off on LD 621
Advancing on WP PB

Does not include pick offs caught stealing or force outs

With all that included OOB is rare 1/2.97games in 2016 or 1632 times in 4856 games, but 621 were either FB or LDP. If one were to say advancing on a WP/PB were 1/2 the remainder (1011) then the rate would be 1/9.6 games. I'm not sure there are that many outs on WP/PB

See chart

That doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game, just that it should happen at around that rate.

RchW · 10-12-2016, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

That doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game, just that it should happen at around that rate.

What rate? that is the question. Without verifiable occurrence rates, I'd be concerned. In no way am I suggesting it should not be in the game.

10-06-2016, 05:13 PM	#1
sreem All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 673	Wild Pitch Outs Has anyone ever seen a runner thrown out (either at home or another base) on a wild pitch in 3D mode? (Not talking about dropped 3rd strikes) __________________ "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Except for bears....."

10-06-2016, 05:47 PM	#3
sreem All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 673	Didn't think so. Do you know if that is by design? __________________ "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Except for bears....."

10-06-2016, 05:17 PM	#2
Noone_Uknow Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Posts: 58	I have never seen a player called out on a Wild Pitch or Passed Ball...

10-06-2016, 06:00 PM	#4
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	By definition, it isn't a wild pitch or a passed ball unless the runner advances. The game does not include a "runner out advancing" play, which is what it would be if the ball got away from the catcher and the runner was thrown out. A "runner out stealing" would amount to the same thing, though it doesn't seem so when you are playing 3D. Maybe that will change in some future version of the game.

10-07-2016, 10:39 PM	#7
MrBojangles All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: low and inside Posts: 568	I'd been wondering about this. My 3D graphics almost always show the catcher's throw to the pitcher covering home plate beating the runner - but he's always safe.