DH = longer career?

electrickeeper · 08-18-2016, 02:40 PM

A buddy and I were talking about how moving a position player to DH will extend his career, if only by a season or two. Which led me to wonder, does moving a guy to DH actually lessen the physical toll on players and lengthen their careers in OOTP?

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Déjà Bru · 08-18-2016, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by electrickeeper

A buddy and I were talking about how moving a position player to DH will extend his career, if only by a season or two. Which led me to wonder, does moving a guy to DH actually lessen the physical toll on players and lengthen their careers in OOTP?

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32 years in my league, starting in 1901, and how I long for the DH! But that's beside the point.

I don't think DH'ing will stop the decline of batting and fielding skills that comes with age. What DH'ing does do, though, is to decrease the chance of injury, obviously because the player is not out on the field except to bat and lumber.

Hey, bat and lumber! That's a good one.

wsenkow · 08-18-2016, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by electrickeeper

A buddy and I were talking about how moving a position player to DH will extend his career, if only by a season or two. Which led me to wonder, does moving a guy to DH actually lessen the physical toll on players and lengthen their careers in OOTP?

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The previous comment refers to the reductions in injuries so by extension then certainly yes to your question. There is under the topic Designated Hitter in Wikipedia a 'Debate' section that I know you will find both interesting and surprising. At the end of the article attention is given to an injury a pitcher suffered in an interleague game while running the bases. It was the beginning of the end of his pitching career.

NoOne · 08-18-2016, 05:21 PM

video game related? assuming.

aging is a force... if not evenly applied, it falls within a range, had a chance of occuring in large or small steps etc etc... i think, or hope, it is a roll of the dice for each effect that results. meaning when it has a chance to occur, it affects each rating independently of each other unless logical to do otherwise. e.g. losing some speed shouldn't affect the power rating - they aren't even correlated let alone a cuase of each other.

they can fall apart at fielding, even for a 1b, and if they are lucky that their batting skills remained high, it will extend that particular player's career. so it will cause a very small uptick in player age, but even a small uptick is a pretty big deal when you are talking about 750 players. figure 2-5-10? extra 'decent' hitters may stick around an extra year or 2... it will ebb and flow a bit, but an average can be found.

Number4 · 08-18-2016, 08:26 PM

It does, in two ways:
Once as it was already told, DHes have a lowered injury possibilty. As injuries accelerate the decline of a career, DHes are at lower risk of that.

However, more importantly, it does give players a position where fielding skill does not matter at all. Fielding skill gets worse with age too, and if a player loses enough fielding skill, he has to play either first or DH. Not only does this mean twice the opportunity for a bad-gloved player to find a spot, it also requires no skill at all to learn. Even at first you can be bad and/or you need some time to learn the position, during which you will be bad. No such worries for a DH.

NoOne · 08-18-2016, 09:45 PM

and as we saw with billy butler, there is such a thing not good enough for first base, lol.

NYYANKS98 · 08-18-2016, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wsenkow

The previous comment refers to the reductions in injuries so by extension then certainly yes to your question. There is under the topic Designated Hitter in Wikipedia a 'Debate' section that I know you will find both interesting and surprising. At the end of the article attention is given to an injury a pitcher suffered in an interleague game while running the bases. It was the beginning of the end of his pitching career.

Is it Chien Ming Wang? I bet it's Chien Ming Wang.

Edit: it was Chien Ming Wang.

wsenkow · 08-18-2016, 10:56 PM

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Is it Chien Ming Wang? I bet it's Chien Ming Wang.

Edit: it was Chien Ming Wang.

Yes it was!! Very good answer, but a sad injury. It happened on the road (of course) in Houston.

And I just gave away my last autographed Babe Ruth rookie card too. I wish I would have seen your post earlier.

NYYANKS98 · 08-18-2016, 11:01 PM

I saw that description and I just knew. What a shame.

Why'd you have to bring back the PTSD of a great Yankee career ruined by injury?

wsenkow · 08-18-2016, 11:10 PM

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I saw that description and I just knew. What a shame.

Why'd you have to bring back the PTSD of a great Yankee career ruined by injury?

I shouldn't have. Sorry, and did a slight edit. A month ago I watched the movie "The Babe" starring John Goodman. It's an older movie, 1992, but I really recommend it. An excellent portrayal of an amazing and colorful human being. And Goodman was right for the part.

08-18-2016, 02:40 PM	#1
electrickeeper Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 137	DH = longer career? A buddy and I were talking about how moving a position player to DH will extend his career, if only by a season or two. Which led me to wonder, does moving a guy to DH actually lessen the physical toll on players and lengthen their careers in OOTP? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

08-18-2016, 05:21 PM	#4
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	video game related? assuming. aging is a force... if not evenly applied, it falls within a range, had a chance of occuring in large or small steps etc etc... i think, or hope, it is a roll of the dice for each effect that results. meaning when it has a chance to occur, it affects each rating independently of each other unless logical to do otherwise. e.g. losing some speed shouldn't affect the power rating - they aren't even correlated let alone a cuase of each other. they can fall apart at fielding, even for a 1b, and if they are lucky that their batting skills remained high, it will extend that particular player's career. so it will cause a very small uptick in player age, but even a small uptick is a pretty big deal when you are talking about 750 players. figure 2-5-10? extra 'decent' hitters may stick around an extra year or 2... it will ebb and flow a bit, but an average can be found. Last edited by NoOne; 08-18-2016 at 05:23 PM.

08-18-2016, 08:26 PM	#5
Number4 Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 460	It does, in two ways: Once as it was already told, DHes have a lowered injury possibilty. As injuries accelerate the decline of a career, DHes are at lower risk of that. However, more importantly, it does give players a position where fielding skill does not matter at all. Fielding skill gets worse with age too, and if a player loses enough fielding skill, he has to play either first or DH. Not only does this mean twice the opportunity for a bad-gloved player to find a spot, it also requires no skill at all to learn. Even at first you can be bad and/or you need some time to learn the position, during which you will be bad. No such worries for a DH. __________________ "Odor is now 2 for 5 today" (Commentator, after Rougned Odor, up to then 1 for 4, punched Jose Bautista square in the face.)

08-18-2016, 09:45 PM	#6
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	and as we saw with billy butler, there is such a thing not good enough for first base, lol.

08-18-2016, 11:01 PM	#9
NYYANKS98 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 128	I saw that description and I just knew. What a shame. Why'd you have to bring back the PTSD of a great Yankee career ruined by injury?