Need help with Pinch Hitting

Chomps · 04-25-2016, 04:42 PM

I have been having difficulty using pinch hitters and then having them stay in the game the following inning.

Here is an example:

I notice that my starting pitcher is running into difficulty and will be up to bat the following inning, so I warm up a relief pitcher.

When my team comes up to bat, I insert a pinch hitter in the lineup in place of my starting pitcher when my pitcher is due up to bat. In this example my pitcher is occupying the number 9 spot in the batting order.[edit]

After the inning is over, I want to keep the pinch hitter in the game at let's say, the left field position and move my relief pitcher from bullpen into the game. However, I am unable to assign my pinch hitter the same position in the lineup as my starting left fielder. The pinch hitter stays in the number 9 slot, and then is removed from the lineup when I move my bullpen guy as the new pitcher.

Can someone please provide some advice on how to do this? Also, what is a double switch and is this modeled in the game?

NoOne · 04-25-2016, 04:56 PM

can you do double switches in ootp? if not, you are out of luck.

e.g.
the old pitcher gets replaced by a ph, who stays in at a different position., then the new pitcher must replace another person in the lineup if you want that PH to stay in the game.... the batting order cannot change (ie the replacement for that spot in the order must remain in that spot and play any position you assign).

Sweed · 04-25-2016, 05:29 PM

Yes, of course you can do double switches in OOTP.

Not sure why you're having trouble without knowing all of the steps you are taking Chomps. First thing is until you reassign the "P" slot in the batting order any pitcher you put in the "pitcher box" will take the #9 slot in the batting order, or whatever slot the "P" has occupied. Easiest way to do the double switch to avoid problems...(Using your example of wanting the PH to go to LF)

1. make the current LF position a "-" in the batting order
2. change the "PH" to "LF"
3. put the relief pitcher in the batting order in the "-" spot that was occupied by your starting LF. DO NOT put the reliever into the "pithcer's box!
4. change the "-" to "P" (this will put the reliever into the "pitching box")

Not sure if this makes a difference but you say...

"When my team comes up to bat, I insert a pinch hitter in the lineup in place of my starting pitcher."

Does this mean you don't wait for the pitcher's spot to come up to bat? If that is what you are doing, why? A manager isn't going to announce a PH until he has to, for many reasons. Game situations change. Score, pitching change etc.

Perhaps there's some weird quirk in the coding that happens when you don't wait for the P spot to come up before inserting a PH? I don't know I've never inserted a PH until I had too (see explanation above).

Hope this helps.

Chomps · 04-25-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

Does this mean you don't wait for the pitcher's spot to come up to bat?

I do wait until my pitcher is due up before inserting the pinch hitter.

Thanks for your procedures, I will give it a try!

[edit] I tried your method, however, this does not solve the problem of batting order. I end up with my pitcher batting in the number 4 slot for example. How can I accomplish what you suggested, and move the new pitcher to the number 9 batting slot?

r0nster · 04-25-2016, 06:43 PM

Sweed has is correct. Whenever I play the interleague game I do double switches or I will wait till they come up to hit.

NoOne · 04-25-2016, 06:52 PM

i doubt gamesmanship really matters in ootp... unless he's going to be the '4th' guy up in an innning it really won't matter.

bwburke94 · 04-25-2016, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chomps

I do wait until my pitcher is due up before inserting the pinch hitter.

Thanks for your procedures, I will give it a try!

[edit] I tried your method, however, this does not solve the problem of batting order. I end up with my pitcher batting in the number 4 slot for example. How can I accomplish what you suggested, and move the new pitcher to the number 9 batting slot?

If the new pitcher is in the same batting order spot as the old pitcher, you can just drag them to the pitcher box on the right side. Of course, if you do this, the pinch hitter can't stay in the game, as two players can't occupy the same lineup spot.

Curve Ball Dave · 04-26-2016, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chomps

[edit] I tried your method, however, this does not solve the problem of batting order. I end up with my pitcher batting in the number 4 slot for example. How can I accomplish what you suggested, and move the new pitcher to the number 9 batting slot?

Because it's against the rules of baseball.

If you pinch hit for the pitcher, who we assume was batting ninth, that spot in the order is now taken by your hitter who stayed in the game to play LF. You can't move that player to a different spot in the batting order, which you must do to keep your pitcher batting ninth. Period. End of conversation. If you want the pinch hitter to stay in the game and play the field you have to your new pitcher bat somewhere else in the lineup, like the spot of the player who was playing the position your pinch hitter now is.

Chomps · 04-27-2016, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

Because it's against the rules of baseball.

Thanks for clarifying this issue. I have never noticed this sort of thing happening while watching real MLB games. Guess I need to pay better attention.

Wooly · 06-07-2016, 02:03 AM

Does anyone know how to use defensive substitutions to create double switches late in games? I sim games, I don't play them, so I need the CPU to be able to do this.

In the lineup you can set defensive substitutions for different positions. However, to my knowledge, you can't have a player already in the game move over to another position, and have a defensive sub take over the newly vacated positions. This is essentially a double switch, one you see all the time in MLB.

Example: I have a defensive sub set up to come in after the 7th inning at 3B, let's call him 3B-sub. In the 7th inning, I want my starting 3B to move over to First Base, and have 3B-sub take over at Third Base, with the 1B leaving the game.

Sadly, you can't designate a starter as a defensive sub at another position, so you can't have the 3B in my example move over to 1B. You either replace 3B directly, or leave him in the game. It doesn't appear there is any way around this in the game currently. Why not, this is a regular part of the game.

ThePretender · 06-07-2016, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Wooly

Does anyone know how to use defensive substitutions to create double switches late in games? I sim games, I don't play them, so I need the CPU to be able to do this.

In the lineup you can set defensive substitutions for different positions. However, to my knowledge, you can't have a player already in the game move over to another position, and have a defensive sub take over the newly vacated positions. This is essentially a double switch, one you see all the time in MLB.

Example: I have a defensive sub set up to come in after the 7th inning at 3B, let's call him 3B-sub. In the 7th inning, I want my starting 3B to move over to First Base, and have 3B-sub take over at Third Base, with the 1B leaving the game.

Sadly, you can't designate a starter as a defensive sub at another position, so you can't have the 3B in my example move over to 1B. You either replace 3B directly, or leave him in the game. It doesn't appear there is any way around this in the game currently. Why not, this is a regular part of the game.

You can't do that and it's one of my bigger issues with OOTP. I wish you could set a "defensive lineup" like you do an offensive lineup to start the game, and set the defensive lineup to come in (ie 7th inning, up by 3 runs or less).

For ex

Offensive lineup - C - Martin, 1B, EE, 2B Zobrist, SS Tulo, 3B Donaldson, LF Saunders, CF Pillar, RF Bautista

Defensive lineup - C - Martin, 1B, EE, 2B Goins (defensive sub, bats for LF), SS Tulo, 3B Donaldson, LF Zobrist, CF Pillar, RF Bautista

It's not something that's particularly difficult to code, either. They already have lineups set, they already let you choose when your defensive subs come in, and substitutions like this are simple enough. All they'd have to do is check that A) Goins the sub is available and B) Zobrist and Saunders (the player shifting defensive positions and the player being replaced) is in the game.

04-25-2016, 04:42 PM	#1
Chomps Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Taiwan Posts: 455	Need help with Pinch Hitting I have been having difficulty using pinch hitters and then having them stay in the game the following inning. Here is an example: I notice that my starting pitcher is running into difficulty and will be up to bat the following inning, so I warm up a relief pitcher. When my team comes up to bat, I insert a pinch hitter in the lineup in place of my starting pitcher when my pitcher is due up to bat. In this example my pitcher is occupying the number 9 spot in the batting order.[edit] After the inning is over, I want to keep the pinch hitter in the game at let's say, the left field position and move my relief pitcher from bullpen into the game. However, I am unable to assign my pinch hitter the same position in the lineup as my starting left fielder. The pinch hitter stays in the number 9 slot, and then is removed from the lineup when I move my bullpen guy as the new pitcher. Can someone please provide some advice on how to do this? Also, what is a double switch and is this modeled in the game? Last edited by Chomps; 04-25-2016 at 06:05 PM.

04-25-2016, 04:56 PM	#2
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	can you do double switches in ootp? if not, you are out of luck. e.g. the old pitcher gets replaced by a ph, who stays in at a different position., then the new pitcher must replace another person in the lineup if you want that PH to stay in the game.... the batting order cannot change (ie the replacement for that spot in the order must remain in that spot and play any position you assign). Last edited by NoOne; 04-25-2016 at 05:53 PM.

04-25-2016, 05:29 PM	#3
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,070	Yes, of course you can do double switches in OOTP. Not sure why you're having trouble without knowing all of the steps you are taking Chomps. First thing is until you reassign the "P" slot in the batting order any pitcher you put in the "pitcher box" will take the #9 slot in the batting order, or whatever slot the "P" has occupied. Easiest way to do the double switch to avoid problems...(Using your example of wanting the PH to go to LF) 1. make the current LF position a "-" in the batting order 2. change the "PH" to "LF" 3. put the relief pitcher in the batting order in the "-" spot that was occupied by your starting LF. DO NOT put the reliever into the "pithcer's box! 4. change the "-" to "P" (this will put the reliever into the "pitching box") Not sure if this makes a difference but you say... "When my team comes up to bat, I insert a pinch hitter in the lineup in place of my starting pitcher." Does this mean you don't wait for the pitcher's spot to come up to bat? If that is what you are doing, why? A manager isn't going to announce a PH until he has to, for many reasons. Game situations change. Score, pitching change etc. Perhaps there's some weird quirk in the coding that happens when you don't wait for the P spot to come up before inserting a PH? I don't know I've never inserted a PH until I had too (see explanation above). Hope this helps.

04-25-2016, 06:43 PM	#5
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,082	Sweed has is correct. Whenever I play the interleague game I do double switches or I will wait till they come up to hit.

04-25-2016, 06:52 PM	#6
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	i doubt gamesmanship really matters in ootp... unless he's going to be the '4th' guy up in an innning it really won't matter.

06-07-2016, 02:03 AM	#10
Wooly Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 11	Does anyone know how to use defensive substitutions to create double switches late in games? I sim games, I don't play them, so I need the CPU to be able to do this. In the lineup you can set defensive substitutions for different positions. However, to my knowledge, you can't have a player already in the game move over to another position, and have a defensive sub take over the newly vacated positions. This is essentially a double switch, one you see all the time in MLB. Example: I have a defensive sub set up to come in after the 7th inning at 3B, let's call him 3B-sub. In the 7th inning, I want my starting 3B to move over to First Base, and have 3B-sub take over at Third Base, with the 1B leaving the game. Sadly, you can't designate a starter as a defensive sub at another position, so you can't have the 3B in my example move over to 1B. You either replace 3B directly, or leave him in the game. It doesn't appear there is any way around this in the game currently. Why not, this is a regular part of the game.