Total Pro Service Years Off?

[GeneralCornRowWallace]

I just started a season with the latest quick start and right off the bat it looks like a great deal of my minor league players are eligible for the rule 5 draft. I then took at a look at the "total pro service years" in the player profiles and they seemed off.

Shouldn't players who have never reached the majors not have any total pro service years? I had guys like that with 3 or 5 years. I also had guys drafted last year with 3 total pro service years.

Anyone know what this means?

[battists]

Originally Posted by GeneralCornRowWallace

I just started a season with the latest quick start and right off the bat it looks like a great deal of my minor league players are eligible for the rule 5 draft. I then took at a look at the "total pro service years" in the player profiles and they seemed off.



Shouldn't players who have never reached the majors not have any total pro service years? I had guys like that with 3 or 5 years. I also had guys drafted last year with 3 total pro service years.



Anyone know what this means?

No, professional service time starts as soon as you play a single game at any level.

The manual covers this pretty well:

http://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com/...e=service_time

What you are referring to is "major-league service time," which is a different thing.

[byzeil]

Players start to accumulate "pro service years" from the time they become pros, not major leaguers. So pro service years start when they join the minors or majors.

[battists]

Originally Posted by battists

No, professional service time starts as soon as you play a single game at any level.

The manual covers this pretty well:

http://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com/...e=service_time

What you are referring to is "major-league service time," which is a different thing.

Basically, major-league service time affects arbitration and major-league free agency. Professional service time affects minor league free agency.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by battists

Professional service time affects minor league free agency.

The only problem there is that OOTP calculates that incorrectly in that it uses a more complicated system than is used in real life. The manual as per your link says:

On the day the playoffs end, if a minor league player is not currently on the secondary roster, he becomes a free agent if:

Professional Service Time - Time on Secondary Roster >= 6 years

That's not how it works in real life.

In real life, it's much simpler: a player is eligible for minor league free agency after he has had seven (not six) seasons in the minor leagues. Being on the secondary roster or not is irrelevant. If a player spends any time at all on the roster of a minor league club it counts as a minor league season—this includes any time the player spent on option to a minor league club.

The 'six year' part is a misnomer. That refers to the fact that the major league club gets the player's first year, plus six unilateral renewals of the player's contract—but that's a total of seven seasons. Note that this only applies to players without prior affiliated professional minor league experience, and only as long as that major league organization retains that player. If it releases him, then he becomes a free agent immediately, and will always be so as soon as any contract (typically only one season long) he might sign with any other major league organization.

[andyhdz]

Originally Posted by GeneralCornRowWallace

I just started a season with the latest quick start and right off the bat it looks like a great deal of my minor league players are eligible for the rule 5 draft. I then took at a look at the "total pro service years" in the player profiles and they seemed off.

Shouldn't players who have never reached the majors not have any total pro service years? I had guys like that with 3 or 5 years. I also had guys drafted last year with 3 total pro service years.

Anyone know what this means?

If you had a guy drafted and already came in with 3 or 5 years of pro time you are probably using an independent college or high school feeder. There is a bug that will be fixed that is counting those leagues as pro.

[NoOne]

Minors:

it is 7 years in the game, too... 4 years auto-renewal or however you want to describe it, then you have to protect them for upto 3 years on the 40-man. after that they are MiL FAs.


i don't think req serv time (172days default?) affects minor leaguers, but jsut in case make sure that's a good match to the length of your schedule... default is fine unless you've made changes to # of games or have a custom schedule that's unusual.

they most defintely should not accrue more than 1 year in a season... if you aren't getting to 7 years (potentially), then something is definitely causing it to be off - whether bug or self-inflicted through settings.

[BigRed75]

Originally Posted by andyhdz

If you had a guy drafted and already came in with 3 or 5 years of pro time you are probably using an independent college or high school feeder. There is a bug that will be fixed that is counting those leagues as pro.

I don't think he was talking about this, just that when he started his QuickStart there were already players in his organisation with pro service time. But since the quick start is a snapshot of the world as of that dat, of course everyone who played minor league ball before that date would have accumulated pro service time...

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by NoOne

Minors:

it is 7 years in the game, too... 4 years auto-renewal or however you want to describe it, then you have to protect them for upto 3 years on the 40-man. after that they are MiL FAs.

And that's incorrect, insofar as real life is concerned. Any time spent with a minor league club counts towards the seven years—that includes any season in which the player was on the 40-man roster and optioned to the minor leagues. From what I understand, even though the real life system is simpler, it is apparently hard to change in the game's code.