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Old 04-19-2016, 09:09 AM   #1
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Double Header

I just played a double header funny thing is:
First game Pirates where at home, played in PNC park.
Second game we were in Chicago at Wrigley field.

I could be wrong, but I don't ever recall a double header being played in 2 different stadiums in the modern era.

I think this could be a bug.
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Old 04-19-2016, 09:36 AM   #2
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In reality these are games that would be played as a "home game" for one team in the visiting park, scheduled because there were no more series left at that teams home park. Presumably it's not worthwhile to actually code around this rare case so they just put the game in the home park.
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Old 04-19-2016, 09:39 AM   #3
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Was it at the end of the season? Perhaps the last scheduled Cubs/Bucs game at Wrigley was rained out, so it was tacked on to a Cubs/Bucs series at PNC because the computer couldn't find anywhere else to put it? Not saying it was handled correctly, just trying to think of why it might have happened.

I seem to remember a time when a doubleheader happened in that case, only they had the team who missed out on a home game bat last in the second game at their opponents' park. That would have really freaked out the computer.
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Old 04-19-2016, 09:40 AM   #4
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The Yankees and Mets did this. Rivera earned two saves in different ballparks on the same day.
Subway Series Moments: Mariano Rivera earns two saves in one day
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Old 04-19-2016, 09:44 AM   #5
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I do know that the Mets and Yankees played a double header a few years ago where one was in Shea(or Citi) the other was in Yankee Stadium, so it can happen if the stadiums are close enough together.
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Old 04-19-2016, 10:31 AM   #6
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It's a "bug" with doubleheaders caused by rainouts that started in OOTP16. I've seen the Mets and Rockies play a doubleheader in New York and Colorado on the same day ... twice.
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Happens to me a couple of times every season, even in historical leagues such as 1970s and 80s when teams made at least two trips to every city in the league every year. I've had a Mets-Dodgers DH in NY and LA on the same day.

It happens because the rainout came in the last game of a team's last visit to a city, but the two teams have one more series left in the other series. AI just treats it as a true makeup game right down to the site of the game. Helps keep home/away game numbers even despite the unrealistic nature of a two-city doubleheader played in the same day.

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That makes sense.
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Old 04-19-2016, 04:48 PM   #9
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In the 1880s, teams would play doubleheaders and play different teams on the same day.
Morning: Phillies at Giants, Braves at Dodgers. Afternoon: Braves at Giants, Phillies at Dodgers.
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Old 04-19-2016, 05:16 PM   #10
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I just played a double header funny thing is:
First game Pirates where at home, played in PNC park.
Second game we were in Chicago at Wrigley field.

I could be wrong, but I don't ever recall a double header being played in 2 different stadiums in the modern era.

I think this could be a bug.
It's not a bug, it's actually a limitation in how OOTP handles postponed and rescheduled games. As I understand it, for financial engine reasons, clubs have to have their scheduled number of home games.

In real life, when a game couldn't be rescheduled for its original park, it would be played in the other team's park. OOTP can't do this, so the game is "played" in the original club's park, regardless of how odd it might look on the schedule.

There's a further complication in real-life games, in that, starting in 2007, the home club would bat first in some make up games. If, for example, Boston at Oakland was rained out, and couldn't be made up in Oakland, it would be made up in Boston as part of an Oakland at Boston series. But, even though the make up game is being played at Fenway Park, for that make up game Boston would bat first, as if it was the visiting team. This rule change was made to make it somewhat more fair, as the team losing out on a game in its own park would at least still get the chance to bat second. Prior to the rule change, the visiting team would bat first in the make up game as if it was any other regular game. This rule was also adopted by a few of the minor leagues.

OOTP doesn't recreate this rule. It also doesn't recreate single admission, two-for-one doubleheaders (a long-standing part of baseball history), nor does it allow clubs to finish with differing numbers of games played due to some postponed games not being made up.

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August 4, 1982 Wrigley Field(Chicago)

Joel Youngblood gets a single for the Mets in the 3rd inning, gets taken out of the game because he was traded to the Expos.(P-Fergie Jenkins)

August 4, 1982 Veterans Stadium(Philadelphia)
Joel Youngblood is sent in as a defensive replacement in the 6th inning, comes to bat in the 7th and gets a single.(P-Steve Carlton)

So, Joel Youngblood is the only player in history to get a hit for two different team, in two different cities on the same day, AND he did it against two of the best pitchers at the time.
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It's not a bug, it's actually a limitation in how OOTP handles postponed and rescheduled games. As I understand it, for financial engine reasons, clubs have to have their scheduled number of home games.

In real life, when a game couldn't be rescheduled for its original park, it would be played in the other team's park. OOTP can't do this, so the game is "played" in the original club's park, regardless of how odd it might look on the schedule.

There's a further complication in real-life games, in that, starting in 2007, the home club would bat first in some make up games. If, for example, Boston at Oakland was rained out, and couldn't be made up in Oakland, it would be made up in Boston as part of an Oakland at Boston series. But, even though the make up game is being played at Fenway Park, for that make up game Boston would bat first, as if it was the visiting team. This rule change was made to make it somewhat more fair, as the team losing out on a game in its own park would at least still get the chance to bat second. Prior to the rule change, the visiting team would bat first in the make up game as if it was any other regular game. This rule was also adopted by a few of the minor leagues.

OOTP doesn't recreate this rule. It also doesn't recreate single admission, two-for-one doubleheaders (a long-standing part of baseball history), nor does it allow clubs to finish with differing numbers of games played due to some postponed games not being made up.
Before I knew how too use the schedule evaluator,I always had teams finish with different amount of games. I would delete games and move them to other dates,sometimes forgetting too do so(or clicking the wrong teams: example old game Bos at NY Yankees,game postponed and moved too another date however I clicked the Mets instead of Yankees giving Mets an extra game and one less game for the Yankees).


When you have 200 plus team leagues,it's very easy too make mistakes with the schedule editor if you don't check too make sure each team has the same amount of games before the season ends.

Also.for some unknown reason,sometimes the evaluator would stop working and finding mistakes was more difficult.

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