Cutoff man doesn't make attempts to throw out runners?

CRBUKE · 03-25-2016, 12:53 PM

I have played in both the historical exhibitions and regular 2016 season and it is almost like they just never make the throw when they should for a play at the plate. Anybody else notice this?

David Watts · 03-25-2016, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CRBUKE

I have played in both the historical exhibitions and regular 2016 season and it is almost like they just never make the throw when they should for a play at the plate. Anybody else notice this?

Yup, first time I saw it, all I could think of was the Bad News Bears when the pitcher gets back at his dad by holding the ball on the mound while the kid runs around the bases. Maybe it would be more Cespedes if the outfielder didn't even hit the cutoff....

Let'sGoBraves · 03-25-2016, 01:03 PM

I could be wrong, but it's just a graphical representation of a pre-determined play right? While it looks like the cut off man could have made a throw and gotten the runner, that's not what happened on that play. It's not like Madden where each player has logic controlling his actions. If you had pbp set to full you would have already read the runner was safe before the pawn responded. It's just meant to add something new to the presentation of what is still a text sim. Right?

Matt Arnold · 03-25-2016, 01:13 PM

Essentially yes. After release we plan to revisit the logic that determines when a throw goes or not, in order to make it more accurate.

CRBUKE · 03-25-2016, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Let'sGoBraves

I could be wrong, but it's just a graphical representation of a pre-determined play right? While it looks like the cut off man could have made a throw and gotten the runner, that's not what happened on that play. It's not like Madden where each player has logic controlling his actions. If you had pbp set to full you would have already read the runner was safe before the pawn responded. It's just meant to add something new to the presentation of what is still a text sim. Right?

in 3D mode it is real time on the settings I have set, they never even make the attempt once it hits the cutoff man, they hold it no matter what.

texasmame · 03-25-2016, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Let'sGoBraves

I could be wrong, but it's just a graphical representation of a pre-determined play right? While it looks like the cut off man could have made a throw and gotten the runner, that's not what happened on that play. It's not like Madden where each player has logic controlling his actions. If you had pbp set to full you would have already read the runner was safe before the pawn responded. It's just meant to add something new to the presentation of what is still a text sim. Right?

I noticed that but just chalked it up to the above.

Padreman · 03-25-2016, 01:32 PM

And the plays are not pre-determine

Right Field · 03-25-2016, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

And the plays are not pre-determine

Interesting, could you provide some sources that back that statement up? I'd like to read further about how plays are determined in OOTP.

Let'sGoBraves · 03-25-2016, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

And the plays are not pre-determine

If the play is not pre-determined, defined as the game simulating the play the way it always has, before instructing the pawns how to illustrate the play result, and instead the play is determined by the the logic of the individual pawn making a play, then this has become Triple Play and an arcade game. So I'm going to assume you are wrong. I certainly hope so anyway. I would assume they didn't create an entire new game engine to move the product away from the text sim it's made its bones as.

I was not insinuating that the play itself is predetermined, but as for how the pawn is told to move, it is by that point.

RchW · 03-25-2016, 03:46 PM

The play result is available before it is acted out on screen. That is not pre-determined.

Coltrane · 03-25-2016, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Let'sGoBraves

If the play is not pre-determined, defined as the game simulating the play the way it always has, before instructing the pawns how to illustrate the play result, and instead the play is determined by the the logic of the individual pawn making a play, then this has become Triple Play and an arcade game. So I'm going to assume you are wrong. I certainly hope so anyway. I would assume they didn't create an entire new game engine to move the product away from the text sim it's made its bones as.

I was not insinuating that the play itself is predetermined, but as for how the pawn is told to move, it is by that point.

The Pawns have the ability to think for themselves. They take orders from NO ONE.

r0nster · 03-25-2016, 04:01 PM

"Awareness factor" might be an idea to help with this. Sometimes a player might forget there is only 1 out instead of 2 outs. Happens as rare as it is. Or aware of runners situation... As a baseball player he should plan ahead as what he would do should he get the ball. Some real players do that and some don't.

03-25-2016, 12:53 PM	#1
CRBUKE Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 12	Cutoff man doesn't make attempts to throw out runners? I have played in both the historical exhibitions and regular 2016 season and it is almost like they just never make the throw when they should for a play at the plate. Anybody else notice this? __________________ Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/CRBUKE

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Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	And the plays are not pre-determine __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

03-25-2016, 03:46 PM	#10
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	The play result is available before it is acted out on screen. That is not pre-determined. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

03-25-2016, 01:03 PM	#3
Let'sGoBraves Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 98	I could be wrong, but it's just a graphical representation of a pre-determined play right? While it looks like the cut off man could have made a throw and gotten the runner, that's not what happened on that play. It's not like Madden where each player has logic controlling his actions. If you had pbp set to full you would have already read the runner was safe before the pawn responded. It's just meant to add something new to the presentation of what is still a text sim. Right?

03-25-2016, 01:13 PM	#4
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,854	Essentially yes. After release we plan to revisit the logic that determines when a throw goes or not, in order to make it more accurate.

03-25-2016, 04:01 PM	#12
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	"Awareness factor" might be an idea to help with this. Sometimes a player might forget there is only 1 out instead of 2 outs. Happens as rare as it is. Or aware of runners situation... As a baseball player he should plan ahead as what he would do should he get the ball. Some real players do that and some don't.