Scoring Error Situation

david limbaugh · 07-07-2016, 04:06 PM

Scoring Error Situation:

Runners on first and third. No outs.

Ground ball to second baseman. He boots it.

No RBI given to hitter. Runner scores even if fielded cleanly.
Cannot assume double play - RBI should be scored and it wasn't/

BIG17EASY · 07-07-2016, 04:30 PM

In real life, it's not automatically an RBI. If the runner doesn't break on contact and instead waits til the ball is booted, there's no RBI. OOTP doesn't replicate the details that closely, but that's how I try to "explain" to myself the scoring when I see this happen.

By any chance, was the infield in?

cheo25 · 07-07-2016, 06:00 PM

But it seems like it could be an E4 because even though you can't assume the double play, you could assume a force at second to get at least one out? The "can't assume a double play" part usually seems to come in after the force out is recorded (fielder drops the ball on the transfer, high or low throw that allows batter to reach first but no further, etc.).

If it's an E4, I don't think it would be a run batted in.

With all of that, I could be wrong.

BIG17EASY · 07-07-2016, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheo25

But it seems like it could be an E4 because even though you can't assume the double play, you could assume a force at second to get at least one out? The "can't assume a double play" part usually seems to come in after the force out is recorded (fielder drops the ball on the transfer, high or low throw that allows batter to reach first but no further, etc.).

If it's an E4, I don't think it would be a run batted in.

With all of that, I could be wrong.

If there's less than two outs, the runner still scores from third on a force out at second, hence an RBI (unless the runner at third doesn't break until the error occurs, as I mentioned in my earlier post.)

cheo25 · 07-07-2016, 09:02 PM

Yeah, that's a good point.

SteveP · 07-08-2016, 03:07 PM

Was the infield playing in? If the score is close in late inning, the infield will likely be playing in. It's a quirk of OOTP that the runner will never advance on a GB hit to the infield playing in with less than two outs. So, if the runner advanced, it could only be due to the error.

Just a thought.

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07-07-2016, 04:30 PM	#2
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	In real life, it's not automatically an RBI. If the runner doesn't break on contact and instead waits til the ball is booted, there's no RBI. OOTP doesn't replicate the details that closely, but that's how I try to "explain" to myself the scoring when I see this happen. By any chance, was the infield in?

07-07-2016, 06:00 PM	#3
cheo25 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,272	But it seems like it could be an E4 because even though you can't assume the double play, you could assume a force at second to get at least one out? The "can't assume a double play" part usually seems to come in after the force out is recorded (fielder drops the ball on the transfer, high or low throw that allows batter to reach first but no further, etc.). If it's an E4, I don't think it would be a run batted in. With all of that, I could be wrong.

07-07-2016, 09:02 PM	#5
cheo25 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,272	Yeah, that's a good point.

07-08-2016, 03:07 PM	#6
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	Was the infield playing in? If the score is close in late inning, the infield will likely be playing in. It's a quirk of OOTP that the runner will never advance on a GB hit to the infield playing in with less than two outs. So, if the runner advanced, it could only be due to the error. Just a thought.