Facegen racial Issue

Padreman · 02-25-2016, 02:52 PM

Markus I many times gets for example Mexican players with African facegens. Or I'll at times gets Caucasian demonican, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Columbian players rather than the Hispanic facegen.

From time to time I'll have a caucasian Asian player.
Any ways this could be tweaked?

Also was there not something off with the Isrealite names?

SirMichaelJordan · 02-25-2016, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Markus I many times gets for example Mexican players with African facegens. Or I'll at times gets Caucasian demonican, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Columbian players rather than the Hispanic facegen.

From time to time I'll have a caucasian Asian player.

Any ways this could be tweaked?

Also was there not something off with the Isrealite names?

But african hispanics, Caucasian Asians and hispanics exists.

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 02-25-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Markus I many times gets for example Mexican players with African facegens. Or I'll at times gets Caucasian demonican, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Columbian players rather than the Hispanic facegen.

From time to time I'll have a caucasian Asian player.
Any ways this could be tweaked?

Also was there not something off with the Isrealite names?

Israeli names not Isrealite, cmon Pman you're better than that.

Padreman · 02-25-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

But african hispanics, Caucasian Asians and hispanics exists.

Correct here and there I lived in 5 states in Mexico and its rear but he's but I don't think having 300 in my league is realistic

Danbo80 · 02-25-2016, 05:01 PM

Hey Padreman, off topic but do you have any jersey's to go with your retro Padres logo?

Padreman · 02-25-2016, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danbo80

Hey Padreman, off topic but do you have any jersey's to go with your retro Padres logo?

Look here
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...forms-261.html

The Wolf · 02-25-2016, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Correct here and there I lived in 5 states in Mexico and its rear but he's but I don't think having 300 in my league is realistic

Mexico has a rear? I've worked in Mexico and seen everything from tall, pale Mexicans with light hair and eyes to short, very dark Mexicans with dark hair and eyes. There are Europeans, Native Mexicans, blacks, and all manner of mixtures thereof. People are diverse and types interbreed.

SirMichaelJordan · 02-25-2016, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Correct here and there I lived in 5 states in Mexico and its rear but he's but I don't think having 300 in my league is realistic

I see. Same could be said for African Americans but I don't think the game takes minority into consideration.

I can't say Ive had a problem with white asians, I don't think I ever seen one in any of my leagues.

I think a better fix would be something of the effect what quest dog does with the name txt. Ethnicity should be split up more snd we should be able to adjust.

Caporegime · 02-25-2016, 05:44 PM

The larger issue here is how OOTP treats all Latino nations as a single racial/ethnic entity in the game. Nations as racially diverse and different from one another as Spain (White Spaniards 88%), Cuba (65.05% White, 23.84% Mixed Race (Black & White), Black 10.08%, Asian 1.02%), Venezuela (Mestizo 67%, White 21%, Black 10%, Amerindian 2%), and Argentina (97% White; mestizo, Amerindian, other 3%) all have to share the same hopelessly generic, one-size-fits-all "Hispanic" ethnicity. By default, the game distinguishes between German and Austrian as separate and distinct, but not Spaniard, Cuban and Mexican.

This is one of the few areas where the default setting in OOTP is woefully, even comically, inadequate. Just imagine a similar singular ethnicity to shoehorn the entire English-speaking world into (UK, USA, Australia, South Africa, Canada, etc). I'm sure there would be no shortage of people here demanding it be changed to reflect an irrefutable global reality.

Luckily, all this is customizable. I always replace nationalities that aren't even represented in MLB, have never been, and probably never will be (Finnish, Swedish, Romanian, Albanian, etc.) with ones that are (Dominican, Cuban, Mexican, etc). The surnames of the aforementioned European ethnic groups are still represented in the Names file under American anyway, so it's not as if you're expunging Finnish-Americans, Swedish-Americans, etc from the game.

As far as the Facegens generated are concerned, for nations like Mexico, which has a large Mestizo or mixed Amerindian-European population, I use the "East Indian" Facegen as a surrogate for Mestizo. It's not perfect, but it's the closest thing OOTP comes by default to creating convincing looking Mixed Race Latin Americans.

Hammercraft · 02-25-2016, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Caporegime

Luckily, all this is customizable.

Exactly. It's a good starting point, and for anyone who wants to tweak it differently, it's easily done.

Airdrop01 · 02-25-2016, 07:59 PM

Pixelated lives matter!!!!

Padreman · 02-25-2016, 08:09 PM

Another for example black MLB player Jesse Barfield I drafted him but he was white

David Watts · 02-25-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Another for example black MLB player Jesse Barfield I drafted him but he was white

This can be solved by downloading the historical facegen mod from Add On Central. Not sure what happens for existing leagues, though.

Lukas Berger · 02-25-2016, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

This can be solved by downloading the historical facegen mod from Add On Central. Not sure what happens for existing leagues, though.

Should still work fine for existing leagues.

Assos · 02-26-2016, 08:49 AM

I know the feeling, I ran a Canadian League and got a lot of black Canadians. I understand, more blacks than whites. Just saying.

Giants44 · 02-26-2016, 09:47 PM

I dont know the answer - but is this a facegen issue vs an OOTP issue?

if facegen supports multiple\more race options then that seems like something OOTP should implement. If facegen doesnt support then not much OOTP can do, but would be good for facgen to address

Padreman · 02-27-2016, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Giants44

I dont know the answer - but is this a facegen issue vs an OOTP issue?

if facegen supports multiple\more race options then that seems like something OOTP should implement. If facegen doesnt support then not much OOTP can do, but would be good for facgen to address

Yes I think you ate right it's more of a facegen issue. Unless they change nothing can be done

Honorable_Pawn · 02-27-2016, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by airdrop01

pixelated lives matter!!!!

:d

joefromchicago · 02-27-2016, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Also was there not something off with the Isrealite names?

Check this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-name-set.html

02-25-2016, 02:52 PM	#1
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	Facegen racial Issue Markus I many times gets for example Mexican players with African facegens. Or I'll at times gets Caucasian demonican, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Columbian players rather than the Hispanic facegen. From time to time I'll have a caucasian Asian player. Any ways this could be tweaked? Also was there not something off with the Isrealite names? __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

02-25-2016, 05:44 PM	#9
Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,713	The larger issue here is how OOTP treats all Latino nations as a single racial/ethnic entity in the game. Nations as racially diverse and different from one another as Spain (White Spaniards 88%), Cuba (65.05% White, 23.84% Mixed Race (Black & White), Black 10.08%, Asian 1.02%), Venezuela (Mestizo 67%, White 21%, Black 10%, Amerindian 2%), and Argentina (97% White; mestizo, Amerindian, other 3%) all have to share the same hopelessly generic, one-size-fits-all "Hispanic" ethnicity. By default, the game distinguishes between German and Austrian as separate and distinct, but not Spaniard, Cuban and Mexican. This is one of the few areas where the default setting in OOTP is woefully, even comically, inadequate. Just imagine a similar singular ethnicity to shoehorn the entire English-speaking world into (UK, USA, Australia, South Africa, Canada, etc). I'm sure there would be no shortage of people here demanding it be changed to reflect an irrefutable global reality. Luckily, all this is customizable. I always replace nationalities that aren't even represented in MLB, have never been, and probably never will be (Finnish, Swedish, Romanian, Albanian, etc.) with ones that are (Dominican, Cuban, Mexican, etc). The surnames of the aforementioned European ethnic groups are still represented in the Names file under American anyway, so it's not as if you're expunging Finnish-Americans, Swedish-Americans, etc from the game. As far as the Facegens generated are concerned, for nations like Mexico, which has a large Mestizo or mixed Amerindian-European population, I use the "East Indian" Facegen as a surrogate for Mestizo. It's not perfect, but it's the closest thing OOTP comes by default to creating convincing looking Mixed Race Latin Americans. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else." - Lawrence Peter Berra Last edited by Caporegime; 02-25-2016 at 05:50 PM.

02-25-2016, 08:09 PM	#12
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	Another for example black MLB player Jesse Barfield I drafted him but he was white __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

02-26-2016, 09:47 PM	#16
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 2,408	I dont know the answer - but is this a facegen issue vs an OOTP issue? if facegen supports multiple\more race options then that seems like something OOTP should implement. If facegen doesnt support then not much OOTP can do, but would be good for facgen to address __________________ "In a text sim - Immersion is everything" -Me "Judge a man not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" -Martin Luther King "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Einstein "The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." -Muhammad Ali "Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything." -Toby Harrah

02-25-2016, 05:01 PM	#5
Danbo80 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 73	Hey Padreman, off topic but do you have any jersey's to go with your retro Padres logo?

02-25-2016, 07:59 PM	#11
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Pixelated lives matter!!!!

02-26-2016, 08:49 AM	#15
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,768	I know the feeling, I ran a Canadian League and got a lot of black Canadians. I understand, more blacks than whites. Just saying.