Contracts

[Hannibal05]

I've just finished my 10th season as Mets GM. So I've got a good baseline to go off of.

I've had the same manager, Wally Backman, for the last 10 years. Yes I promoted him from triple AAA right away. He has risen to Legendary status after winning two World Series in that time. Contract comes up and he wants a 5 year 2.5 mil dollar raise up from 1.5 mil. Huge increase, tried to negotiate a lower price but he wouldn't accept so because I can't afford it I let him go. I see he ended up signing with a lesser club for 1.5 contract for two years.

I don't have a problem going to any other team but usually you don't see a guy taking a same size contract with a lesser club that has the worst farm system.

I've noticed this with Players as well. I had a pillar of the community, happy go lucky player who was a super star. His contract came up and he wanted some outrageous contract like 35 mil a year for 8 years. Up from 25 mil he was making. I couldn't negotiate a lower contract and he eventually stopped talking to me and ended up signing for a worse team for 26 mil over two years.

I wasn't trying to give them less. I was giving them a raise albeit not along the lines they wanted. I don't have a problem that I wasn't able to retain them as that's part of business. What bothers me is that they signed to other teams for lesser deals.

Now, trying to be fair. It is possible but highly unlikely. Especially an MVP player in his prime. That's like Clayton Kershaw's contract coming up this year (In real life) turning down a 200 mil 7 year contract from the Dodgers then signing a 57 mil dollar two year deal with the Brewers. I like that the little teams can compete but it's not realistic.

These are not the only times I've noticed this but wondering if other people are having the same issues?

[Kent814]

Normally this happens when a player reaches the open market with high expectations(James Shields this past offseason is a good example), but then his market never materialized amd he signs small deal compared to the one he wanted. You dont think the Royals wouldve brought back Shields at his final price tag?

[rstoomeyii]

i'm not sure about managers but i'd imagine they'd be the same as players. when you see them come in at a super high number you just have to wait it out. In my sim Yasiel Puig hit free agency coming off of a triple crown season. his initial expected deal was 45 a year over 8 year. i came in at 35/6 and kept trying to tweak the deal and he eventually wouldnt talk to me. he ended up signing for 34/6. the key is to wait them out. nobody is offering that crazy deal so dont worry. then, once they're withing about 5m/yr of what youre offering you can make your offer. then and only then will they come to their senses.

[Hannibal05]

Originally Posted by Kent814

Normally this happens when a player reaches the open market with high expectations(James Shields this past offseason is a good example), but then his market never materialized amd he signs small deal compared to the one he wanted. You dont think the Royals wouldve brought back Shields at his final price tag?

I would agree with a caliber of Shields. I even felt he overpriced himself but I'm talking about a bonafide superstar, Kershaw, Trout. MVP, CY Young type of players 28, 29 years old with a history of being a productive player. I agree they might overprice themselves but to sign for less than the offer from the team they played for wouldn't happen.

[Hannibal05]

Originally Posted by rstoomeyii

i'm not sure about managers but i'd imagine they'd be the same as players. when you see them come in at a super high number you just have to wait it out. In my sim Yasiel Puig hit free agency coming off of a triple crown season. his initial expected deal was 45 a year over 8 year. i came in at 35/6 and kept trying to tweak the deal and he eventually wouldnt talk to me. he ended up signing for 34/6. the key is to wait them out. nobody is offering that crazy deal so dont worry. then, once they're withing about 5m/yr of what youre offering you can make your offer. then and only then will they come to their senses.

I thought about that but even when I've offered a deal on the free agent market that the player rejected...he still signed for a lesser amount with another team. And yeah, maybe he doesn't want to play for my team no matter what I offer him but again, just seems unrealistic to me.

[rstoomeyii]

Originally Posted by Hannibal05

I thought about that but even when I've offered a deal on the free agent market that the player rejected...he still signed for a lesser amount with another team. And yeah, maybe he doesn't want to play for my team no matter what I offer him but again, just seems unrealistic to me.

I do think the system is kinda flawed in the fact that a player wont talk to you after a certain point. I'm not sure how it could be done, but they should know that you offered them X for X years. even if it was an insult at the time if down the road they get and offer for X-1 for X-1 years then they should try and come crawling back to you and ask if the offer is still available

[Kent814]

Maybe he just doesnt want to admit to his mistake. Imagine in real life if a player rejected a teams offer and when his market never materialized, it would be too embarrassing to come crawling back to the original offer. Probably not though since if i were a player id take as much money as i could no matter the embarrassment.

[ra7c7er]

Originally Posted by Hannibal05

I've just finished my 10th season as Mets GM. So I've got a good baseline to go off of.

I've had the same manager, Wally Backman, for the last 10 years. Yes I promoted him from triple AAA right away. He has risen to Legendary status after winning two World Series in that time. Contract comes up and he wants a 5 year 2.5 mil dollar raise up from 1.5 mil. Huge increase, tried to negotiate a lower price but he wouldn't accept so because I can't afford it I let him go. I see he ended up signing with a lesser club for 1.5 contract for two years.

I don't have a problem going to any other team but usually you don't see a guy taking a same size contract with a lesser club that has the worst farm system.

I've noticed this with Players as well. I had a pillar of the community, happy go lucky player who was a super star. His contract came up and he wanted some outrageous contract like 35 mil a year for 8 years. Up from 25 mil he was making. I couldn't negotiate a lower contract and he eventually stopped talking to me and ended up signing for a worse team for 26 mil over two years.

I wasn't trying to give them less. I was giving them a raise albeit not along the lines they wanted. I don't have a problem that I wasn't able to retain them as that's part of business. What bothers me is that they signed to other teams for lesser deals.

Now, trying to be fair. It is possible but highly unlikely. Especially an MVP player in his prime. That's like Clayton Kershaw's contract coming up this year (In real life) turning down a 200 mil 7 year contract from the Dodgers then signing a 57 mil dollar two year deal with the Brewers. I like that the little teams can compete but it's not realistic.

These are not the only times I've noticed this but wondering if other people are having the same issues?

Pretty sure you were trying to give them less and they didn't want to take it. Most players over value themselves early in the off-season especially players who are looking at extensions. You hear it on ESPN every day during that time. X player could have gotten more in FA but signed for this or X player over valued himself and wound up with less on another team. I personally think the game does a pretty good job.

I play a custom fictional league where team budgets are between 280,000 and 75,000. (I know huge gap but I can't figure out how to close it up) and every once in a while a very high greed player will want 50-60 grand a season. Needless to say they wind up getting paid 10-15 grand right before spring training or even after.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by Hannibal05

I've just finished my 10th season as Mets GM. So I've got a good baseline to go off of.

I've had the same manager, Wally Backman, for the last 10 years. Yes I promoted him from triple AAA right away. He has risen to Legendary status after winning two World Series in that time. Contract comes up and he wants a 5 year 2.5 mil dollar raise up from 1.5 mil. Huge increase, tried to negotiate a lower price but he wouldn't accept so because I can't afford it I let him go. I see he ended up signing with a lesser club for 1.5 contract for two years.

I don't have a problem going to any other team but usually you don't see a guy taking a same size contract with a lesser club that has the worst farm system.

I've noticed this with Players as well. I had a pillar of the community, happy go lucky player who was a super star. His contract came up and he wanted some outrageous contract like 35 mil a year for 8 years. Up from 25 mil he was making. I couldn't negotiate a lower contract and he eventually stopped talking to me and ended up signing for a worse team for 26 mil over two years.

I wasn't trying to give them less. I was giving them a raise albeit not along the lines they wanted. I don't have a problem that I wasn't able to retain them as that's part of business. What bothers me is that they signed to other teams for lesser deals.

Now, trying to be fair. It is possible but highly unlikely. Especially an MVP player in his prime. That's like Clayton Kershaw's contract coming up this year (In real life) turning down a 200 mil 7 year contract from the Dodgers then signing a 57 mil dollar two year deal with the Brewers. I like that the little teams can compete but it's not realistic.

These are not the only times I've noticed this but wondering if other people are having the same issues?

Assuming it's not a superstar like cabrera/trout/kershaw:

you can't burn bridges if you want to negotiate later. if you try to negotiate a contract a year early and he has exorbitant demands relative to his ability or the settings you have chosen, don't offer another contract. allow him to hit the open market, but don't offer a contract early. wait to see how many teams are interested in the offseason page. jump in if/when his demand goes down.

otherwise you shop him around a year early or risk him hitting free agency and still being too expensive.