Everyone From the HOF Ballot Was Dropped - Why?

The Game · 05-10-2015, 10:45 AM

Can't figure out why everyone from the ABF HOF ballot was dropped. I voted for 5 or so players.
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3866361

jaysdailydose · 05-10-2015, 11:03 AM

Post in bug reports. Would say this qualifies.

The Game · 05-10-2015, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jaysdailydose

Post in bug reports. Would say this qualifies.

Only thing I can come up with is that the players retired around 1930 and they stay on the ballot for 10 yrs so they were dropped because of time on ballot. But the ballot just started in 1943, HOF started in 1936.

jaysdailydose · 05-10-2015, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Game

Only thing I can come up with is that the players retired around 1930 and they stay on the ballot for 10 yrs so they were dropped because of time on ballot. But the ballot just started in 1943, HOF started in 1936.

I bet that is still your problem. I'd check all of those.dudes and see if any would still be on the ballot.

The Game · 05-10-2015, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jaysdailydose

I bet that is still your problem. I'd check all of those.dudes and see if any would still be on the ballot.

For 1946 that doesn't seem to be the problem. Out of the 3 leagues that I play, this is the only one I have had this issue with.
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3866450

jaysdailydose · 05-10-2015, 02:12 PM

Yep, I'd post this. I went and checked out your thread but I should have realized from the pitcher you posted that it wasn't a problem with an association or him being in a different league as his entire career line is in ABF.

You said you manually voted, but I know you well enough to know you didn't accidentally skip it.

Very strange.

OakDragon · 05-10-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

Only thing I can come up with is that the players retired around 1930 and they stay on the ballot for 10 yrs so they were dropped because of time on ballot. But the ballot just started in 1943, HOF started in 1936.

Well, as the article points out, if they receive less than 5% of the votes, they're automatically dropped. The question is, why does it think ballots were cast but they were all empty?

ra7c7er · 05-10-2015, 02:45 PM

This looks just like the problem I have with HOF voting with more then one league.

None of the leagues vote anyone into the HOF and they all get dropped. The only time that doesn't happen is if the player played his whole career in one league or ended his career with good enough HOF numbers from the league he retired from.

olivertheorem · 05-10-2015, 04:33 PM

I get why this is a problem for some (multi-league HoF issue), but it also kind of makes sense. The MLB HoF doesn't really care what Ichiro did in Japan.

The solution is something that I know has been proposed before: a worldwide (or at least association-wide if the leagues are associated) Hall of Fame in which all stats count.

jaysdailydose · 05-10-2015, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by olivertheorem

I get why this is a problem for some (multi-league HoF issue), but it also kind of makes sense. The MLB HoF doesn't really care what Ichiro did in Japan.

The solution is something that I know has been proposed before: a worldwide (or at least association-wide if the leagues are associated) Hall of Fame in which all stats count.

All of these players stats are in the relevant league. Look at the screenshots. ABF is the league for all accrued statistics.

olivertheorem · 05-10-2015, 05:00 PM

Oversight on my part. I guess I was reading too fast.

I must have had ra7c7er's post in mind too much.

actionjackson · 05-10-2015, 05:38 PM

The question is not why are they getting dropped. The question is why are no ballots being counted because surely these guys are getting votes. You have multiple leagues playing at the same time right? I wonder if that's bugging up your ABF league, and if so that's not a good sign.

ra7c7er · 05-10-2015, 05:41 PM

Something is definitely wrong. I'd post it in the bug forum with your league files.

The new HOF stuff is awesome but they really should have fixed the HOF issues that had been plaguing the game for many versions now before adding new stuff.

The Game · 05-11-2015, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ra7c7er

This looks just like the problem I have with HOF voting with more then one league.

None of the leagues vote anyone into the HOF and they all get dropped. The only time that doesn't happen is if the player played his whole career in one league or ended his career with good enough HOF numbers from the league he retired from.

PCL has put at least 1 person in since I moved to 16 each year. i do not vote for the PCL.

Do i have this set up right for me voting when i take myself out of Commish mode? i take myself out of Commish Mode when i vote then go back in right after Submit ballot then see teh results when the inductions are made in January. Something tells me I should have the 2nd option unchecked.
I have no problems in my EBL league.

ra7c7er · 05-11-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Game

PCL has put at least 1 person in since I moved to 16 each year. i do not vote for the PCL.

Do i have this set up right for me voting when i take myself out of Commish mode? i take myself out of Commish Mode when i vote then go back in right after Submit ballot then see teh results when the inductions are made in January. Something tells me I should have the 2nd option unchecked.
I have no problems in my EBL league.

Yeah I think if you use voting you should have automatic off. At least that is the default way. I tried it with both when trying to get HOF voting to work in my leagues and they didn't seem to do anything against each other but when only using one league maybe they are working against each other.

You don't need to switch out of commish mode when voting.

Matt Arnold · 05-11-2015, 11:42 AM

If you have "disable automatic induction" checked, then there is no AI voting - the balloting is entirely based on the human votes. You shouldn't have to take yourself out of commish mode to vote, either, btw.

Otherwise, as it currently stands, every league votes for the hall separately, so yes, unfortunately, if a player played in multiple leagues, they need to put up enough stats in one league to get inducted there. If you are seeing it as really hard to get people elected, dropping the induction criteria lower should help that.

But I don't believe that's related to the above. From what it seems like, the automatic induction is disabled, and for whatever reason, it looks like there was no human ballot cast above, hence everyone being at 0. If you want to hack something that might help, I would suggest the following:
-reschedule the league HOF event for tomorrow
-un-check the second box
-re-cast your ballot (if desired)

This does somewhat screw up calculations internally, but should "over-write" the zero ballots that you're seeing the above case, and should hopefully allow those players to not get dropped from the current ballots.

05-10-2015, 10:45 AM	#1
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05-10-2015, 11:03 AM	#2
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05-10-2015, 02:12 PM	#6
jaysdailydose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,325	Yep, I'd post this. I went and checked out your thread but I should have realized from the pitcher you posted that it wasn't a problem with an association or him being in a different league as his entire career line is in ABF. You said you manually voted, but I know you well enough to know you didn't accidentally skip it. Very strange.

05-10-2015, 02:45 PM	#8
ra7c7er All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,098	This looks just like the problem I have with HOF voting with more then one league. None of the leagues vote anyone into the HOF and they all get dropped. The only time that doesn't happen is if the player played his whole career in one league or ended his career with good enough HOF numbers from the league he retired from.

05-10-2015, 04:33 PM	#9
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	I get why this is a problem for some (multi-league HoF issue), but it also kind of makes sense. The MLB HoF doesn't really care what Ichiro did in Japan. The solution is something that I know has been proposed before: a worldwide (or at least association-wide if the leagues are associated) Hall of Fame in which all stats count.

05-10-2015, 05:00 PM	#11
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Oversight on my part. I guess I was reading too fast. I must have had ra7c7er's post in mind too much.

05-10-2015, 05:38 PM	#12
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,181	The question is not why are they getting dropped. The question is why are no ballots being counted because surely these guys are getting votes. You have multiple leagues playing at the same time right? I wonder if that's bugging up your ABF league, and if so that's not a good sign.

05-10-2015, 05:41 PM	#13
ra7c7er All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,098	Something is definitely wrong. I'd post it in the bug forum with your league files. The new HOF stuff is awesome but they really should have fixed the HOF issues that had been plaguing the game for many versions now before adding new stuff.

05-11-2015, 11:42 AM	#16
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,152	If you have "disable automatic induction" checked, then there is no AI voting - the balloting is entirely based on the human votes. You shouldn't have to take yourself out of commish mode to vote, either, btw. Otherwise, as it currently stands, every league votes for the hall separately, so yes, unfortunately, if a player played in multiple leagues, they need to put up enough stats in one league to get inducted there. If you are seeing it as really hard to get people elected, dropping the induction criteria lower should help that. But I don't believe that's related to the above. From what it seems like, the automatic induction is disabled, and for whatever reason, it looks like there was no human ballot cast above, hence everyone being at 0. If you want to hack something that might help, I would suggest the following: -reschedule the league HOF event for tomorrow -un-check the second box -re-cast your ballot (if desired) This does somewhat screw up calculations internally, but should "over-write" the zero ballots that you're seeing the above case, and should hopefully allow those players to not get dropped from the current ballots.