Overall rating higher than potential

Peregrine · 04-11-2015, 01:15 AM

I don't remember seeing this in OOTP 15 except very rarely but I see it all the time in 16. Does this have something to do with my settings? How the AI evaluates players maybe? Just not sure why so many players are rated with overall so much higher than potential when before it would be the opposite, or once they developed, the same. I thought maybe I missed some setting which would prevent this but I have Show Potential < Actual set to No, Adjust already. Is it possible this setting is bugged?

Example is this guy - I verified in editor all his main stats and his pitches are at his full potential levels, so why is his rating appearing like this?

RchW · 04-11-2015, 01:30 AM

Development and aging is a curve that inclines up reaches a plateau then declines (we hope). The indication you have is that the player has reached that plateau and will not improve. I find this more realistic as one can see players IRL where you know their skills will not improve. seeing a 36 year old with higher potentials in any ratings is unrealistic IMO

I remember seeing one of these detailed scouting reports on Edwin Encarnacion where the MLB scout focused on his body type to suggest that he could only get worse with time and that his body would breakdown earlier than other players. While still a premier slugger I think most people can see that pretty clearly when they look at EE.

Sorry for the essay.

Peregrine · 04-11-2015, 01:41 AM

I agree that's how the engine works, but in previous years (and mostly this year) he would be shown with his potential at the same level as his overall - that's how I always determined that he had reached his full potential. I'm not sure what to make of what is being shown to me on that player though.

SodoMojo · 04-11-2015, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

I agree that's how the engine works, but in previous years (and mostly this year) he would be shown with his potential at the same level as his overall - that's how I always determined that he had reached his full potential. I'm not sure what to make of what is being shown to me on that player though.

Umm I've never seen that before...when players decline it should be as you said...overall stays with their potential.

Unless there is a setting I'm not aware of that looks like a bug.

Peregrine · 04-11-2015, 02:35 AM

And this isn't just one player, it's pretty frequent - see how many times it is happening on just this one page of my player list in this league.

RchW · 04-11-2015, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SodoMojo

Umm I've never seen that before...when players decline it should be as you said...overall stays with their potential.

Unless there is a setting I'm not aware of that looks like a bug.

No it's a human player choice. Global Settings drop down.

Peregrine · 04-11-2015, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

No it's a human player choice. Global Settings drop down.

I just took a look at my OOTP 15 and I have the Global Settings options (Show Ratings > Max and Show Potential < Actual) set the exact same way and I'm not seeing this issue. So maybe it is a settings thing but some other settings?

Peregrine · 04-11-2015, 02:47 AM

Also it appears this issue is only happening in my fictional leagues. In my current 2015 MLB league it's fine, a MLB league using fictional players it's fine, but I see it in fully fictional leagues as well as a random debut league.

RchW · 04-11-2015, 03:49 AM

It's not an issue when you can choose to display it or not.

I have 10 players on my 25 man roster with Pot<Act.

Peregrine · 04-11-2015, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

It's not an issue when you can choose to display it or not.

I have 10 players on my 25 man roster with Pot<Act.

So how should I be changing my settings to do this? I can't find the specific setting to correct this. I already have Show Pot<Act turned off, but still see the issue. This is my whole point is that I think the setting might be bugged in certain situations. I even saw a thread from 2012 where people were complaining about this setting being bugged.

RchW · 04-11-2015, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

So how should I be changing my settings to do this? I can't find the specific setting to correct this. I already have Show Pot<Act turned off, but still see the issue. This is my whole point is that I think the setting might be bugged in certain situations. I even saw a thread from 2012 where people were complaining about this setting being bugged.

Global settings and choose the drop down.

Peregrine · 04-11-2015, 04:34 AM

Yes I already have that set to No,Adjust. Not sure how a global setting set to No can lead to me having some leagues where I don't see the problem and some where I do, unless there is some kind of bug.

RchW · 04-11-2015, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Yes I already have that set to No,Adjust. Not sure how a global setting set to No can lead to me having some leagues where I don't see the problem and some where I do, unless there is some kind of bug.

The setting applies to each league individually. Global in this case does not mean across all leagues.

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None of those settings do. I use different scales etc. from league to league

Peregrine · 04-11-2015, 05:01 AM

Yes I understand that - didn't explain it properly - I have it set to No, Adjust separately for all leagues.

04-11-2015, 01:15 AM	#1
Peregrine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cary, North Carolina Posts: 635	Overall rating higher than potential I don't remember seeing this in OOTP 15 except very rarely but I see it all the time in 16. Does this have something to do with my settings? How the AI evaluates players maybe? Just not sure why so many players are rated with overall so much higher than potential when before it would be the opposite, or once they developed, the same. I thought maybe I missed some setting which would prevent this but I have Show Potential < Actual set to No, Adjust already. Is it possible this setting is bugged? Example is this guy - I verified in editor all his main stats and his pitches are at his full potential levels, so why is his rating appearing like this?

04-11-2015, 01:30 AM	#2
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Development and aging is a curve that inclines up reaches a plateau then declines (we hope). The indication you have is that the player has reached that plateau and will not improve. I find this more realistic as one can see players IRL where you know their skills will not improve. seeing a 36 year old with higher potentials in any ratings is unrealistic IMO I remember seeing one of these detailed scouting reports on Edwin Encarnacion where the MLB scout focused on his body type to suggest that he could only get worse with time and that his body would breakdown earlier than other players. While still a premier slugger I think most people can see that pretty clearly when they look at EE. Sorry for the essay. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

04-11-2015, 03:49 AM	#9
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	It's not an issue when you can choose to display it or not. I have 10 players on my 25 man roster with Pot<Act. Attached Images __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

04-11-2015, 01:41 AM	#3
Peregrine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cary, North Carolina Posts: 635	I agree that's how the engine works, but in previous years (and mostly this year) he would be shown with his potential at the same level as his overall - that's how I always determined that he had reached his full potential. I'm not sure what to make of what is being shown to me on that player though.

04-11-2015, 02:35 AM	#5
Peregrine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cary, North Carolina Posts: 635	And this isn't just one player, it's pretty frequent - see how many times it is happening on just this one page of my player list in this league.

04-11-2015, 02:47 AM	#8
Peregrine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cary, North Carolina Posts: 635	Also it appears this issue is only happening in my fictional leagues. In my current 2015 MLB league it's fine, a MLB league using fictional players it's fine, but I see it in fully fictional leagues as well as a random debut league.

04-11-2015, 04:34 AM	#12
Peregrine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cary, North Carolina Posts: 635	Yes I already have that set to No,Adjust. Not sure how a global setting set to No can lead to me having some leagues where I don't see the problem and some where I do, unless there is some kind of bug.

04-11-2015, 05:01 AM	#14
Peregrine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cary, North Carolina Posts: 635	Yes I understand that - didn't explain it properly - I have it set to No, Adjust separately for all leagues.