Question regarding young pitchers' development and playing time

Sudy Nym · 02-25-2003, 11:28 AM

I just reacquired a young, 24 year-old starter, planning too add him to the high-duration rotation that I'm crafting. You can find his information here. The listed potentials are correct, though I happen to know that his numerical ratings, under a brilliant scout, are actually 5/6/6/5/5/6/6 right now, not 4/5/6/4/5/6/6 as the html report suggests.

Had I still had him on my team last season, I think I would have given him some more time in AAA. But as his previous team used him at the ML level, he obviously needs as much time as he can get on my own major league club.

My situation is as follows: I use the four-man rotation, and I already have four good starters. Though I do intend to eventually move two of them to allow room for the previously mentioned Williams and another pitcher currently in AAA, I'm looking at ways to keep them for now.

So my question is, what can I do with Williams that won't stunt his final developmental stage? Note that he has a D endurance rating at relief, and that my pen could use some help- could I pitch him in a middle-relief and mop-up role this season (and the odd start) without risking any damage to him should he pitch in limited (50-100) innings? My other options would be to go to a five-man rotation (which I don't want to do, as I've had great success with the four), or to trade a starter, likely this one to clear some cap room. I could probably do with the room, to sign a couple of minor FA's, but it might be a loss to my pitching staff.

Just looking for some advice/insight, anything you could give me would be great. Thank you very much!

ctorg · 02-25-2003, 11:43 AM

If you make him a MR and get him some innings that way, he will probably advance pretty quickly and you could use him as a starter the next year. I had a guy with really great potentials (I think B/G/A/G/A) whose potential hadn't been reached yet (he only had a 4s and 5s). He was 24, so I brought him up and made him my closer. Within half a season, he had 8s and 7s in the appropriate categories.

Sudy Nym · 02-25-2003, 11:49 AM

Heh, wow, really? If that worked every time, it would be a better plan then having the young guys start.

Of course, in real baseball, it's quite common to see the big pitching prospects start in the bullpen.

So should I just have him pitch from the pen, or is there any reason to change his official role to MR/CL as well? (Ive never been clear on whether pitchers' assigned roles had any impact on performance, or the AI's usage of them.)

ctorg · 02-25-2003, 12:11 PM

I changed my guy's role, but I don't think it matters, though you might get an e-mail from him complaining that he wants to be in the rotation.

It doesn't necessarily work every time, especially if a starter has no ability for relief work, but it does work a good amount of the time for me. I think it's realistic.

jcalvert · 02-25-2003, 01:39 PM

I am new to OOTP (currently playing a beta release of OOTP5). I do not have a manual, and I have not read through all of the FAQs yet, so I may be asking the obvious. Do players actually develop based on your coaching staff? If my A manager has a poor pitching rating, will my A pitchers not develop as well compared being coached by a manager with "Legendary" pitching development skills?

Does the same hold true with my scouting director? Will he send guys down to soon or promote them before they are ready?

In regards to the pitcher listed above, what if he is placed in middle relief role and does not excel (since he is really a starter)? Will that stunt his development?

Sudy Nym · 02-25-2003, 01:47 PM

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In regards to the pitcher listed above, what if he is placed in middle relief role and does not excel (since he is really a starter)? Will that stunt his development?

In this case, he's rated at starter and reliever, so that's not an issue.

As for your other questions, I don't have clear answers- but we'd have to assume that scouts and coaches behave no differently in OOTP5 than they did in OOTP4 to answer (as few of us have set eyes on OOTP5 yet), unless you're looking for an official response. Though I believe, in OOTP4, that coaching ability only impacted the speed of development.

jcalvert · 02-25-2003, 04:32 PM

Oops, I guess I missed the part about being rated as a starter and a reliever. So I guess in this case you have the best of both worlds, if the player does not develop into a quality starter, he could be salvaged into a decent middle or long relief pitcher.

Coaching ability only impacts the speed of development? I assumed it would also impact how far the player can develop, but maybe potential is an attribute of the player and not dependant on coaching.

Oh well, thanks for putting up with a newbie.

Sudy Nym · 02-25-2003, 07:11 PM

Oh really, not at all- I myself have only been playing since September.

But regarding coaching and development, I'm not actually sure- that's just what I've been led to believe. I haven't done any tests, or anything. Someone else should be able to fill you in.

ctorg · 02-26-2003, 08:24 AM

Coaches do affect how far a player develops, probably because they affect the speed. If a guy with great talents has a bad coach, he may never reach his potential because he'll get to the age where it really doesn't change much before his ratings ever go up. I haven't noticed coaches making differences in how much players' talent levels change, just how much the players develop.

Just giving my own observations.

02-25-2003, 11:28 AM	#1
Sudy Nym Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Hill, ON Posts: 492	Question regarding young pitchers' development and playing time I just reacquired a young, 24 year-old starter, planning too add him to the high-duration rotation that I'm crafting. You can find his information here. The listed potentials are correct, though I happen to know that his numerical ratings, under a brilliant scout, are actually 5/6/6/5/5/6/6 right now, not 4/5/6/4/5/6/6 as the html report suggests. Had I still had him on my team last season, I think I would have given him some more time in AAA. But as his previous team used him at the ML level, he obviously needs as much time as he can get on my own major league club. My situation is as follows: I use the four-man rotation, and I already have four good starters. Though I do intend to eventually move two of them to allow room for the previously mentioned Williams and another pitcher currently in AAA, I'm looking at ways to keep them for now. So my question is, what can I do with Williams that won't stunt his final developmental stage? Note that he has a D endurance rating at relief, and that my pen could use some help- could I pitch him in a middle-relief and mop-up role this season (and the odd start) without risking any damage to him should he pitch in limited (50-100) innings? My other options would be to go to a five-man rotation (which I don't want to do, as I've had great success with the four), or to trade a starter, likely this one to clear some cap room. I could probably do with the room, to sign a couple of minor FA's, but it might be a loss to my pitching staff. Just looking for some advice/insight, anything you could give me would be great. Thank you very much! __________________ Tomorrow's Stars Today Baseball League - Portland Beavers <=> WL Wild Card: '11, '14 <=> WL North Divisional Champions: '02, '04-'10, '12, '13, '15-'18 <=> Western League Champions: '04-'06, '09, '10, '13, '18 <=> TSTBL World Champions: 2004, 2006, 2009, 2018

02-25-2003, 11:43 AM	#2
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	If you make him a MR and get him some innings that way, he will probably advance pretty quickly and you could use him as a starter the next year. I had a guy with really great potentials (I think B/G/A/G/A) whose potential hadn't been reached yet (he only had a 4s and 5s). He was 24, so I brought him up and made him my closer. Within half a season, he had 8s and 7s in the appropriate categories. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

02-25-2003, 11:49 AM	#3
Sudy Nym Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Hill, ON Posts: 492	Heh, wow, really? If that worked every time, it would be a better plan then having the young guys start. Of course, in real baseball, it's quite common to see the big pitching prospects start in the bullpen. So should I just have him pitch from the pen, or is there any reason to change his official role to MR/CL as well? (Ive never been clear on whether pitchers' assigned roles had any impact on performance, or the AI's usage of them.) __________________ Tomorrow's Stars Today Baseball League - Portland Beavers <=> WL Wild Card: '11, '14 <=> WL North Divisional Champions: '02, '04-'10, '12, '13, '15-'18 <=> Western League Champions: '04-'06, '09, '10, '13, '18 <=> TSTBL World Champions: 2004, 2006, 2009, 2018

02-25-2003, 12:11 PM	#4
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I changed my guy's role, but I don't think it matters, though you might get an e-mail from him complaining that he wants to be in the rotation. It doesn't necessarily work every time, especially if a starter has no ability for relief work, but it does work a good amount of the time for me. I think it's realistic. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

02-25-2003, 01:39 PM	#5
jcalvert Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13	I am new to OOTP (currently playing a beta release of OOTP5). I do not have a manual, and I have not read through all of the FAQs yet, so I may be asking the obvious. Do players actually develop based on your coaching staff? If my A manager has a poor pitching rating, will my A pitchers not develop as well compared being coached by a manager with "Legendary" pitching development skills? Does the same hold true with my scouting director? Will he send guys down to soon or promote them before they are ready? In regards to the pitcher listed above, what if he is placed in middle relief role and does not excel (since he is really a starter)? Will that stunt his development? __________________ www.calvertgames.com

02-25-2003, 04:32 PM	#7
jcalvert Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13	Oops, I guess I missed the part about being rated as a starter and a reliever. So I guess in this case you have the best of both worlds, if the player does not develop into a quality starter, he could be salvaged into a decent middle or long relief pitcher. Coaching ability only impacts the speed of development? I assumed it would also impact how far the player can develop, but maybe potential is an attribute of the player and not dependant on coaching. Oh well, thanks for putting up with a newbie. __________________ www.calvertgames.com

02-25-2003, 07:11 PM	#8
Sudy Nym Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Hill, ON Posts: 492	Oh really, not at all- I myself have only been playing since September. But regarding coaching and development, I'm not actually sure- that's just what I've been led to believe. I haven't done any tests, or anything. Someone else should be able to fill you in. __________________ Tomorrow's Stars Today Baseball League - Portland Beavers <=> WL Wild Card: '11, '14 <=> WL North Divisional Champions: '02, '04-'10, '12, '13, '15-'18 <=> Western League Champions: '04-'06, '09, '10, '13, '18 <=> TSTBL World Champions: 2004, 2006, 2009, 2018

02-26-2003, 08:24 AM	#9
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Coaches do affect how far a player develops, probably because they affect the speed. If a guy with great talents has a bad coach, he may never reach his potential because he'll get to the age where it really doesn't change much before his ratings ever go up. I haven't noticed coaches making differences in how much players' talent levels change, just how much the players develop. Just giving my own observations. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils