Randy Johnson HOF Hat

MorseMoose · 01-16-2015, 10:42 PM

Randy Johnson - Arizona Diamondback
Randy Johnson - Seattle Mariner

And, special voting option...
Greg Maddux - Chicago Cub
Greg Maddux - Atlanta Brave

MorseMoose · 01-16-2015, 10:44 PM

The reason I threw Maddux on there is because he went blank hat...which I think is B to the S. So, I'm forcing you to pick a hat. Should he have gone Cub or Brave?

Orcin · 01-17-2015, 09:52 AM

Johnson could go either way, but I was fine with Diamondback because he had post-season success there.

Maddux is a Brave. Any other option, including blank, is just dumb.

canadiancreed · 01-17-2015, 11:12 AM

Maddaux as a Brave, Johnson as an Expo

actionjackson · 01-17-2015, 01:59 PM

Maddux as a Brave and Johnson as a Diamondback, and to me it's not particularly close. That's where they were both at their best. Maddux with a blank hat is dumb and reeks of not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings.

ThatSeventiesGuy · 01-17-2015, 04:53 PM

Maddux: Padres

Johnson: Astros

What? What?

ihatenames · 01-19-2015, 03:32 PM

As much as it kills me Maddux should have gone in with a Braves hat. Johnson is a tougher call. I voted Diamondbacks for his peak years but he had a couple of his best years '95 and '97 in Seattle. He wasn't exactly a slouch there in the other years. So I could go either way.

mirrf · 01-19-2015, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Maddux as a Brave and Johnson as a Diamondback, and to me it's not particularly close. That's where they were both at their best. Maddux with a blank hat is dumb and reeks of not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings.

QFT

Johnson's hat as a Diamondback is a little closer call for me. But putting it over the top is the WS victory.

actionjackson · 01-21-2015, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mirrf

QFT

Johnson's hat as a Diamondback is a little closer call for me. But putting it over the top is the WS victory.

Don't forget about the 4 consecutive Cy Young Awards with the D-Backs from 1999-2002. Or the fact that if you look at his seven best seasons by WAR, five of them came with the D-Backs, and the seventh best season was 1997 with the Mariners, therefore five of his top six were as a D-Back. There's also the 164 ERA+ as a D-Back vs the 128 ERA+ as a Mariner, or the 51.3 WAR as a D-Back and the 39.5 WAR as a Mariner, or the 38.6 WAA (Wins Above Average) as a D-Back and the 22.2 WAA as a Mariner, or his 4.99 K/BB as a D-Back and 2.45 K/BB as a Mariner (that's a huge difference and not all of it can be attributed to not having to face a DH every game). Yes he pitched more years and had more pitching wins with the Mariners, but he was at his lethal best as a D-Back, and that's the cap he should wear on his plaque in Cooperstown.

Jason Moyer · 01-22-2015, 02:50 AM

Can't wait to have this discussion if/when Schilling gets in. Earned most of his career value with the Phillies, had his best seasons with the Diamondbacks, largely remembered for what he did with the Red Sox.

TribeFanInNC · 01-22-2015, 10:43 AM

Yeah, Johnson is a head scratcher. I guess aj convinced me about the DBacks, though it still seems a little wrong to be the face of a franchise you played with for like 4.5 years. Either or neither I guess is fine.

Maddux isn't even a question. I don't know why Maddux did what he did. Maybe he got cheesed with the front office on the way out.

mirrf · 01-22-2015, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Don't forget about the 4 consecutive Cy Young Awards with the D-Backs from 1999-2002. Or the fact that if you look at his seven best seasons by WAR, five of them came with the D-Backs, and the seventh best season was 1997 with the Mariners, therefore five of his top six were as a D-Back. There's also the 164 ERA+ as a D-Back vs the 128 ERA+ as a Mariner, or the 51.3 WAR as a D-Back and the 39.5 WAR as a Mariner, or the 38.6 WAA (Wins Above Average) as a D-Back and the 22.2 WAA as a Mariner, or his 4.99 K/BB as a D-Back and 2.45 K/BB as a Mariner (that's a huge difference and not all of it can be attributed to not having to face a DH every game). Yes he pitched more years and had more pitching wins with the Mariners, but he was at his lethal best as a D-Back, and that's the cap he should wear on his plaque in Cooperstown.

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Yeah, Johnson is a head scratcher. I guess aj convinced me about the DBacks, though it still seems a little wrong to be the face of a franchise you played with for like 4.5 years. Either or neither I guess is fine.

Maddux isn't even a question. I don't know why Maddux did what he did. Maybe he got cheesed with the front office on the way out.

That's exactly why I leaned toward the DBs. -He had much more success there and I believe he should wear Arizona's hat. The reason why I hesitated a bit is because when I think of Randy, I think of him, Griffey, and and A-Rod all on the Mariners together.

actionjackson · 01-22-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Yeah, Johnson is a head scratcher. I guess aj convinced me about the DBacks, though it still seems a little wrong to be the face of a franchise you played with for like 4.5 years. Either or neither I guess is fine.

Maddux isn't even a question. I don't know why Maddux did what he did. Maybe he got cheesed with the front office on the way out.

Johnson spent eight seasons during two different stints with the D-Backs. He was there from 1999 through 2004 (six years) and was there in 2007 and 2008 as well. He spent nine seasons plus a couple of months with the Mariners (May 25, 1989 - July 31, 1998). The difference in playing time is not that significant, but the difference in quality of playing time is. He also appeared in 41 more games and made 34 more starts with the Mariners. During that time he won 12 more games and lost 12 more games than he did with the D-Backs. So, even if you go by Win%, he was better as a D-Back.

actionjackson · 01-22-2015, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Can't wait to have this discussion if/when Schilling gets in. Earned most of his career value with the Phillies, had his best seasons with the Diamondbacks, largely remembered for what he did with the Red Sox.

Yeah, it's much more difficult with Schilling. If you go by value, it's Phillies, D-Backs, Red Sox. If you go by best seasons, it's probably D-Backs, Phillies, Red Sox. However if you go by where he became legendary, it's probably Red Sox, D-Backs, Phillies because of the bloody sock and the end of the Curse of the Bambino and all that good stuff. There might be a case here for a blank cap, but I'd prefer it if that doesn't happen because it seems like such a lame compromise. It's very difficult to determine a cap for him though.

TribeFanInNC · 01-22-2015, 01:23 PM

I forgot about the second stint. I'm not sure I want to give him credit for that, but still 8 seasons is 8 seasons I guess. 1999-2002 is just so dominant I guess there is really no other answer regardless of the other stuff.

Jason Moyer · 01-22-2015, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

It's very difficult to determine a cap for him though.

He should go in with a towel over his head!

Caporegime · 01-23-2015, 10:43 PM

I'll always remember Johnson as a Mariner,. However, since he won his only ring and had his best years statistically the D-Backs, it only makes sense for him to go in as a D-Back.

actionjackson · 02-01-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

He should go in with a towel over his head!

...Cringing, hoping against hope as Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams enters the game.

Goody · 02-02-2015, 12:57 AM

Who cares if you won more stuff with a constructed team built to win through free agency. The Big Unit was a mariner, he was one of our first dominant players.... he should be in the hall as a mariner. But we're so used to being **** on we aren't going to argue right now cause Griffey is up next year anyways.... and we'd rather had him or Edgar as the first. Johnson left same way AROD left.... good for him he had success but I think he could have been a real seattle guy like edgar... but he'll get in the hall of fame and edgar won't.. Ok, rant over... but damn..... I think seattle has been quiet on this just cause we have other horses we care more about, but we wanted to care about him before he became a huge sell out.... but good for him.... i guess.

View Poll Results: What hat should they wear?
Randy Johnson - Seattle Mariners	18	52.94%
Randy Johnson - Arizona Diamondback	15	44.12%
--------	1	2.94%
Greg Maddux - Chicago Cubs	3	8.82%
Greg Maddux - Atlanta Braves	27	79.41%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

01-16-2015, 10:42 PM	#1
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	Randy Johnson HOF Hat Randy Johnson - Arizona Diamondback Randy Johnson - Seattle Mariner And, special voting option... Greg Maddux - Chicago Cub Greg Maddux - Atlanta Brave Last edited by MorseMoose; 01-16-2015 at 10:43 PM.

01-17-2015, 11:12 AM	#4
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Maddaux as a Brave, Johnson as an Expo __________________ PT21 PT22

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01-19-2015, 03:32 PM	#7
ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	As much as it kills me Maddux should have gone in with a Braves hat. Johnson is a tougher call. I voted Diamondbacks for his peak years but he had a couple of his best years '95 and '97 in Seattle. He wasn't exactly a slouch there in the other years. So I could go either way. __________________ New Album coming soon!

01-16-2015, 10:44 PM	#2
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	The reason I threw Maddux on there is because he went blank hat...which I think is B to the S. So, I'm forcing you to pick a hat. Should he have gone Cub or Brave?

01-17-2015, 09:52 AM	#3
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,850	Johnson could go either way, but I was fine with Diamondback because he had post-season success there. Maddux is a Brave. Any other option, including blank, is just dumb.

01-17-2015, 01:59 PM	#5
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,181	Maddux as a Brave and Johnson as a Diamondback, and to me it's not particularly close. That's where they were both at their best. Maddux with a blank hat is dumb and reeks of not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings.

01-22-2015, 02:50 AM	#10
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,081	Can't wait to have this discussion if/when Schilling gets in. Earned most of his career value with the Phillies, had his best seasons with the Diamondbacks, largely remembered for what he did with the Red Sox. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech Last edited by Jason Moyer; 01-22-2015 at 02:52 AM.

01-22-2015, 10:43 AM	#11
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Yeah, Johnson is a head scratcher. I guess aj convinced me about the DBacks, though it still seems a little wrong to be the face of a franchise you played with for like 4.5 years. Either or neither I guess is fine. Maddux isn't even a question. I don't know why Maddux did what he did. Maybe he got cheesed with the front office on the way out.

01-22-2015, 01:23 PM	#15
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	I forgot about the second stint. I'm not sure I want to give him credit for that, but still 8 seasons is 8 seasons I guess. 1999-2002 is just so dominant I guess there is really no other answer regardless of the other stuff.

01-23-2015, 10:43 PM	#17
Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,714	I'll always remember Johnson as a Mariner,. However, since he won his only ring and had his best years statistically the D-Backs, it only makes sense for him to go in as a D-Back. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else." - Lawrence Peter Berra

02-02-2015, 12:57 AM	#19
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	Who cares if you won more stuff with a constructed team built to win through free agency. The Big Unit was a mariner, he was one of our first dominant players.... he should be in the hall as a mariner. But we're so used to being **** on we aren't going to argue right now cause Griffey is up next year anyways.... and we'd rather had him or Edgar as the first. Johnson left same way AROD left.... good for him he had success but I think he could have been a real seattle guy like edgar... but he'll get in the hall of fame and edgar won't.. Ok, rant over... but damn..... I think seattle has been quiet on this just cause we have other horses we care more about, but we wanted to care about him before he became a huge sell out.... but good for him.... i guess. __________________ In the past: Laseron Baseball Association creator. Present: I am Rezulm on PT and OOTP Discord. Future: I wish it was the past.