Playoff customization?

[rjl518]

i know i beat this idea to death in a previous thread...but will there be more playoff customization?

such as double elimination tournaments?

and other ways to make the playoffs more versatile?

[bwburke94]

Double elimination's not happening, because it's nearly impossible to code double elimination with a number of teams that isn't a power of two. You're beating a dead horse.

[rjl518]

well i know you need a a power of two in order to creat double elimiation..im also talking about playoff versatility...

besides dbl elim which i still think can be implemented...

ex...
4 teams in one division make the playoffs....

1 and 2 get byes
3 plays 4 in a 1 game series...

the winner of 3 and 4 will play 2 in a best of three

the winner there will would play 1 in a best of five...

idk...just some more ideas for playoffs...

[Markus Heinsohn]

No. The only play-off related new option is having staggered series start dates like MLB does.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by rjl518

i know i beat this idea to death in a previous thread...but will there be more playoff customization?

such as double elimination tournaments?

and other ways to make the playoffs more versatile?

[Orioles1966]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

No. The only play-off related new option is having staggered series start dates like MLB does.

Will there ever be an option for no days off during a playoff series? I have larger leagues(200 plus teams) and the playoffs usually run into late November.

[rjl518]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

No. The only play-off related new option is having staggered series start dates like MLB does.

now..i actually do like that little new feature...

as far as the rest...no problem...the system i m using now is doing just fine...

IS IT MARCH YET??

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by bwburke94

Double elimination's not happening, because it's nearly impossible to code double elimination with a number of teams that isn't a power of two. You're beating a dead horse.

I've already worked out most of the particulars of a customizable playoffs plan that would allow almost unlimited playoff format creation. It would work by basically using a sort of modified and more much sophisticated post-season 'schedule' file in which you'd tell OOTP what clubs are making the playoffs, how they are matched up, and what the schedules are. It's not a particularly user-friendly method (there is a learning curve involved) but that's the price required for achieving nearly unlimited playoff format freedom.*

Alas, I came up with the plan too far along in the OOTP 16 development process and it was judged too complicated a task to code in the time available. But for OOTP 17? Who knows.,,


*And when I say nearly unlimited, I mean nearly unlimited. I purposefully designed the system to be able to recreate every conceivable real-world playoff format I could find in baseball as well as other sports. Double-elimination, round-robin, the points-based playoffs of the Mexican Pacific League and a few other leagues, just to name a few of the more unusual formats, all would be possible. You could even create playoff formats that don't exist in real life (such as conditional playoff formats where the playoff format can change from year-to-year depending on the final standings of the league).

Another benefit of this system is that it could easily be adapted to BTS and FHM. That would give all three games in OOTP Developments' stable robust and highly customizable playoffs.

[TomVeal]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

*And when I say nearly unlimited, I mean nearly unlimited. I purposefully designed the system to be able to recreate every conceivable real-world playoff format I could find in baseball as well as other sports. Double-elimination, round-robin, the points-based playoffs of the Mexican Pacific League and a few other leagues, just to name a few of the more unusual formats, all would be possible. You could even create playoff formats that don't exist in real life (such as conditional playoff formats where the playoff format can change from year-to-year depending on the final standings of the league).

Another benefit of this system is that it could easily be adapted to BTS and FHM. That would give all three games in OOTP Developments' stable robust and highly customizable playoffs.

I look forward to seeing it someday, hopefully not on the Greek Kalends. Will your design accommodate the Swiss System format (used in Chess, though not in any sport that I'm aware of)?

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by TomVeal

Will your design accommodate the Swiss System format (used in Chess, though not in any sport that I'm aware of)?

Not sure. I'd have to read up on that. It can handle the various Page/McIntyre formats (or at least, the ones of those that Wikipedia describes).

One of the more interesting aspects of the system IMO are the 'conditional' playoff formats. For example, you could have a two-division league where the top two clubs in each division make the playoffs. But you could put in a condition which states that if a third-place team in either division has a better record than the second-place club in the other division, then that third place club also makes the playoffs. So normally only four clubs make the playoffs but under certain conditions five teams can qualify.

There are a few real-world playoff formats I had overlooked that I would need to work into the system. For example, the Baukol playoff plan, used in the Northern League in 1963-64, is one I had missed. There's also the 'quarters' split-season plan used by the Western League in 1940. And perhaps one or two others.

There have been some interesting playoff formats used in minor league baseball over the years...

[TomVeal]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Not sure. I'd have to read up on that. It can handle the various Page/McIntyre formats (or at least, the ones of those that Wikipedia describes).

I take it for granted that you include the Shaughnessy playoff system that the Sporting News so much despised and drove off the field many years ago.

In the Swiss System, players are seeded in the first round so that, in an eight-player tournament for example, #1 plays #5, #2 plays #6, etc. In the second round, players who won play each other, as do players who lost. In the third round, the contests are between two-game winners, one-game winners, zero-game winners, and so it goes. The system's virtue is that it produces the likely result of a round robin tournament with many fewer rounds.

[thekingofKC]

Originally Posted by bwburke94

Double elimination's not happening, because it's nearly impossible to code double elimination with a number of teams that isn't a power of two. You're beating a dead horse.

I know virtually nothing about programming, but since you brought it up I am genuinely curious.

There are plenty of websites out there (for instance: challonge.com) that are able to take any number of teams (including odd-numbers) and generate a double-elimination tournament. Would the issue be scheduling? Or maybe the sheer amount of code required to run that website wouldn't fit in a download file.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by TomVeal

I take it for granted that you include the Shaughnessy playoff system that the Sporting News so much despised and drove off the field many years ago.

That can already be done in OOTP's current playoff customization screen.

Originally Posted by TomVeal

In the Swiss System, players are seeded in the first round so that, in an eight-player tournament for example, #1 plays #5, #2 plays #6, etc. In the second round, players who won play each other, as do players who lost. In the third round, the contests are between two-game winners, one-game winners, zero-game winners, and so it goes. The system's virtue is that it produces the likely result of a round robin tournament with many fewer rounds.

I'd have to read up and think about it more to be certain, but offhand I don't see anything preventing within the system I have mind. It might be a bit tedious though putting together the proper file for it.


One aspect of the system I have in mind is that, since it uses external files (sort of like schedule files but with more content), users can trade or share playoff format files they create, just as they can share regular season schedule files. The only parameter that really needs to match up to a league is the league size and alignment (and, depending on the playoff format created, even that may not be required).

Something else that can be done is that each subleague within a league could have its own unique playoff format. Heck, even each division within a league could have its own unique playoff format if the user wanted.

[StLee]

I customized the playoffs a lot in my dynasty league. It most certainly would be easier to be able to use a shortcut instead of the way I do it: each game day I manually adjust the schedule.

I'm all for your file, Le Grande Orange!

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by StLee

I'm all for your file, Le Grande Orange!

Heh, you say that now, but if you were to see all the elements involved in writing up such a user-created playoff file, you might feel very differently! Of course, it's not complicated to me since I'm the one who's designed it and thus I know what everything means and how it fits together. But for someone new to it... well, I expect it might feel quite daunting indeed!