Lots of teams in my league have MR's as closers....

Rockfan616 · 05-05-2014, 08:53 PM

Just as it says above, I have some teams in my fantasy draft/season league that don't have an actual closer on them but several MR's. And there is one team which has two bonafide closers in Rafael Soriano and Grant Balfour but uses them both as the setup guys for another guy who is usually a MR to close out games. I really wonder the AI differentiates who can be a closer and who is a setup guy?? Has anyone else run into this before?? I mean, unless you have an Aroldis Chapman, Craig Kimbrel, or Kenley Jansen on your team then you probably have a MR set as your closer. What's up with that??

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 05-05-2014, 09:02 PM

To the AI, players are just a collection of stats and ratings. It doesn't recognize names. It has no idea what a "bonafide closer" is. In this, it is smarter than most real life managers. It still tries to put the best reliever in the closer role, but it doesn't really care about who has been a closer in the past.

Rockfan616 · 05-05-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

To the AI, players are just a collection of stats and ratings. It doesn't recognize names. It has no idea what a "bonafide closer" is. In this, it is smarter than most real life managers. It still tries to put the best reliever in the closer role, but it doesn't really care about who has been a closer in the past.

Good point, but you would think that more often than not your best reliever is going to be the closer rather than a MR or a setup guy. And a lot of times the "best reliever" if you sim a month or so into the season will have a much higher ERA/WHIP K/BB ratio than your middle relief guys will. It's just something I've noticed since I'm about a month and a 1/2 into my first season so far.

Questdog · 05-05-2014, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockfan616

Good point, but you would think that more often than not your best reliever is going to be the closer rather than a MR or a setup guy. And a lot of times the "best reliever" if you sim a month or so into the season will have a much higher ERA/WHIP K/BB ratio than your middle relief guys will. It's just something I've noticed since I'm about a month and a 1/2 into my first season so far.

olivertheorem · 05-05-2014, 09:31 PM

Just because a guy's tagged with the Closer position doesn't make him automatically better than a MR at the same level. I do wish the AI changed the position of whoever has the closer ROLE to closer and all the others to MR, just for consistency's sake, but I consider them all "RP" anyway. I wish the game did too, since "closer" and "middle relief" aren't really positions anyway.

Fyrestorm3 · 05-05-2014, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by olivertheorem

I do wish the AI changed the position of whoever has the closer ROLE to closer and all the others to MR, just for consistency's sake, but I consider them all "RP" anyway.

The AI does do that.

RchW · 05-05-2014, 10:13 PM

Some major league teams this year have MR as closers.

And we are just past one month into real life.

tejdog1 · 05-06-2014, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Some major league teams this year have MR as closers.

And we are just past one month into real life.

Real relievers????

What does that look like?

bwburke94 · 05-06-2014, 06:38 AM

The AI knows numbers, not names. It doesn't know who's been a closer in the past.

madJ · 05-06-2014, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Some major league teams this year have MR as closers.

And we are just past one month into real life.

Sounds as if that clearly needs a fix.

Carlton · 05-06-2014, 08:35 AM

What needs to be fixed is the PLAYER STRATEGY function...and I will stomp my feet, ignore any reasonable response and be downright ornery for 8 pages in this thread....

Because apparently that is how things get fixed around here...and THIS needs fixing

If I am IN Commish mode, and I go into player strategy and make up for a dumb AI decision and FORCE START a reliever as closer or SP, he better damn well be the closer or SP.

It sort of works for position players, but if you put in say...Rey Orndonez forced start at SS even if the MGR and GM LOVE defense, his offense is so bad the backup will start every 2nd game...making the force start obsolete.

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Originally Posted by madJ

Sounds as if that clearly needs a fix.

Yea, Managers need to change their league settings to closer used Normally and relievers used often
I've seen 8 instances of a P rolling along this year, get pulled in the 8th inning for the sake of "The Closer" who almost or did end up losing the game.

BIG17EASY · 05-06-2014, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

Real relievers????

What does that look like?

If Jon Niese read this, he'd be shaking his head right now.

David Watts · 05-06-2014, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Carlton

What needs to be fixed is the PLAYER STRATEGY function...and I will stomp my feet, ignore any reasonable response and be downright ornery for 8 pages in this thread....

Because apparently that is how things get fixed around here...and THIS needs fixing

If I am IN Commish mode, and I go into player strategy and make up for a dumb AI decision and FORCE START a reliever as closer or SP, he better damn well be the closer or SP.

It sort of works for position players, but if you put in say...Rey Orndonez forced start at SS even if the MGR and GM LOVE defense, his offense is so bad the backup will start every 2nd game...making the force start obsolete.

Yea, Managers need to change their league settings to closer used Normally and relievers used often
I've seen 8 instances of a P rolling along this year, get pulled in the 8th inning for the sake of "The Closer" who almost or did end up losing the game.

Stomping your feet is a great start. I would also have to say that no one can go wrong when they ignore reasonable responses. But, I'm sorry simply saying THIS needs fixing is all wrong and isn't going to get you nowhere. I suggest you make use of WE in your requests from now on. WE need THIS fixed.

Carlton · 05-06-2014, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Stomping your feet is a great start. I would also have to say that no one can go wrong when they ignore reasonable responses. But, I'm sorry simply saying THIS needs fixing is all wrong and isn't going to get you nowhere. I suggest you make use of WE in your requests from now on. WE need THIS fixed.

You know nothing David 'Snow'

"I" need this fixed

STOMP,STOMP,STOMP

In all seriosuness, it HAS been 3 versions now, and this 'feature' is still broken, WE need this done in a patch for THIS version

RchW · 05-06-2014, 10:00 AM

That bastard Snow. LOL_

JCarter93 · 05-06-2014, 10:27 AM

Just to throw another bit of controversy into this mix....

Closing is overrated. You want your best guy to put out fires, not come in at the end of a game where you have like an 85% chance of winning with a normal guy on the mound.

madJ · 05-06-2014, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JCarter93

Just to throw another bit of controversy into this mix....

Closing is overrated. You want your best guy to put out fires, not come in at the end of a game where you have like an 85% chance of winning with a normal guy on the mound.

Blasphemy! Closers are artists and thus have to be put into the game in the 9th inning to close out games nobody else could. That's the reason why they deserve to get paid big money just as a certain Mister Papelbon. Ask GM-mastermind and legend Ruben Amaro Jr. he'll tell you the same thing.

BIG17EASY · 05-06-2014, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by madJ

Blasphemy! Closers are artists and thus have to be put into the game in the 9th inning to close out games nobody else could. That's the reason why they deserve to get paid big money just as a certain Mister Papelbon. Ask GM-mastermind and legend Ruben Amaro Jr. he'll tell you the same thing.

Two things come to mind ...

1.) It's no coincidence Ruben Amaro rhymes with ruin tomorrow.

2.) Nobody's been better at closing out games than the Mets' closers. Problem is, they're closing the door on their own team (said the disgruntled Mets fan).

pjh5165 · 05-06-2014, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Two things come to mind ...

1.) It's no coincidence Ruben Amaro rhymes with ruin tomorrow.

2.) Nobody's been better at closing out games than the Mets' closers. Problem is, they're closing the door on their own team (said the disgruntled Mets fan).

You guys should just get yourselves a Craig Kimbrel

actionjackson · 05-06-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

2.) Nobody's been better at closing out games than the Mets' closers. Problem is, they're closing the door on their own team (said the disgruntled Mets fan).

Not so fast. Have you seen the Blue Jays "hand grenade brigade" lately? Yeesh. These guys are true specialists, but it's definitely not the kind of specialist you want, if you're into, you know, winning games and stuff.

05-05-2014, 08:53 PM	#1
Rockfan616 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 275	Lots of teams in my league have MR's as closers.... Just as it says above, I have some teams in my fantasy draft/season league that don't have an actual closer on them but several MR's. And there is one team which has two bonafide closers in Rafael Soriano and Grant Balfour but uses them both as the setup guys for another guy who is usually a MR to close out games. I really wonder the AI differentiates who can be a closer and who is a setup guy?? Has anyone else run into this before?? I mean, unless you have an Aroldis Chapman, Craig Kimbrel, or Kenley Jansen on your team then you probably have a MR set as your closer. What's up with that??

05-05-2014, 09:02 PM	#2
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,119	To the AI, players are just a collection of stats and ratings. It doesn't recognize names. It has no idea what a "bonafide closer" is. In this, it is smarter than most real life managers. It still tries to put the best reliever in the closer role, but it doesn't really care about who has been a closer in the past. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason

05-05-2014, 10:13 PM	#7
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Some major league teams this year have MR as closers. And we are just past one month into real life. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit Last edited by RchW; 05-05-2014 at 10:17 PM.

05-06-2014, 10:00 AM	#15
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	That bastard Snow. LOL_ __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

05-05-2014, 09:31 PM	#5
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Just because a guy's tagged with the Closer position doesn't make him automatically better than a MR at the same level. I do wish the AI changed the position of whoever has the closer ROLE to closer and all the others to MR, just for consistency's sake, but I consider them all "RP" anyway. I wish the game did too, since "closer" and "middle relief" aren't really positions anyway.

05-06-2014, 06:38 AM	#9
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,499	The AI knows numbers, not names. It doesn't know who's been a closer in the past.

05-06-2014, 10:27 AM	#16
JCarter93 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 157	Just to throw another bit of controversy into this mix.... Closing is overrated. You want your best guy to put out fires, not come in at the end of a game where you have like an 85% chance of winning with a normal guy on the mound.