Multiple teams making playoffs from a division

bwburke94 · 04-07-2014, 03:55 PM

I know this is an odd playoff format, but the same issue in the GB column happens if you have multiple wild cards like 2012-onwards MLB has...

(Also, can we fix the custom playoff screen's various spellings of "wild card" for OOTP15? It's spelled as "Wild Card" when selecting playoff teams and "Wild-card" when selecting whether WCs are seeded lowest; both should be changed to the uncapitalized form for consistency.)

Le Grande Orange · 04-08-2014, 02:15 AM

My responses to bwburke94's points.

#1. Disagree. Baseball has always listed the standings relative to the division leader. This was true when the minor leagues used the Shaughnessy playoff format, and it's true today for the minor league playoffs.

#2. There should be no wild card standings at all since there are (technically) no wild card qualifiers. It's the top teams from the smaller divisions and the top two teams from the larger divisions. In other words, it's a position-based playoff qualifying system.

#3. See above.

#4. Only for the wild card standings, or a "playoff qualifiers" or equivalent standings display (the latter being the screen for position-based playoff qualifiers such as bwburke94 is using).

#5. Paterson is tied in games behind, and it should be listed that way. It has a lower position due to its (very slightly) worse winning percentage. There are multiple examples of this in baseball history. (There are even cases where a team is has no games behind yet is listed in second place due to it having a slightly worse winning percentage than the club that has games behind. This only crops up rarely, due to a difference in games played between the clubs.)

It does raise the larger point of how clubs should be ordered in the standings. In baseball, there are three ways this has been done: (1) by the number of wins; (2) by winning percentage; and (3) by games behind. Each of these can result in a different order of standings depending on the records of the clubs, though if all teams play the same number of games the three will be identical.

bwburke94 · 04-08-2014, 01:49 PM

Re: #2 - there are two WC spots, for a total of 5 teams making the playoffs in each subleague.

Le Grande Orange · 04-08-2014, 09:34 PM

So you have five out of seven teams making the playoffs? What is this, hockey?

04-07-2014, 03:55 PM	#1
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,522	Multiple teams making playoffs from a division I know this is an odd playoff format, but the same issue in the GB column happens if you have multiple wild cards like 2012-onwards MLB has... (Also, can we fix the custom playoff screen's various spellings of "wild card" for OOTP15? It's spelled as "Wild Card" when selecting playoff teams and "Wild-card" when selecting whether WCs are seeded lowest; both should be changed to the uncapitalized form for consistency.) Attached Images

04-08-2014, 02:15 AM	#2
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	My responses to bwburke94's points. #1. Disagree. Baseball has always listed the standings relative to the division leader. This was true when the minor leagues used the Shaughnessy playoff format, and it's true today for the minor league playoffs. #2. There should be no wild card standings at all since there are (technically) no wild card qualifiers. It's the top teams from the smaller divisions and the top two teams from the larger divisions. In other words, it's a position-based playoff qualifying system. #3. See above. #4. Only for the wild card standings, or a "playoff qualifiers" or equivalent standings display (the latter being the screen for position-based playoff qualifiers such as bwburke94 is using). #5. Paterson is tied in games behind, and it should be listed that way. It has a lower position due to its (very slightly) worse winning percentage. There are multiple examples of this in baseball history. (There are even cases where a team is has no games behind yet is listed in second place due to it having a slightly worse winning percentage than the club that has games behind. This only crops up rarely, due to a difference in games played between the clubs.) It does raise the larger point of how clubs should be ordered in the standings. In baseball, there are three ways this has been done: (1) by the number of wins; (2) by winning percentage; and (3) by games behind. Each of these can result in a different order of standings depending on the records of the clubs, though if all teams play the same number of games the three will be identical.

04-08-2014, 01:49 PM	#3
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,522	Re: #2 - there are two WC spots, for a total of 5 teams making the playoffs in each subleague.

04-08-2014, 09:34 PM	#4
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	So you have five out of seven teams making the playoffs? What is this, hockey?