Time For Change?

Klew1986 · 09-22-2013, 06:13 PM

So in my fictional game, my team (Minneapolis) has won 6 of the last 7 USBL Championships. Im debating about expanding from 24 to 26 teams and taking over one of the new teams.

If you guys were me, what would you do? Keep with the current team or take over a new franchise?

JMDurron · 09-22-2013, 09:36 PM

I'd keep the current team. There is always a higher standard to obtain. Win as many titles in a row as the 1950s Yankees. Get the Team Home Page Clean Sweep (1st in everything). Get titles from every team in your organization in the same year. Watch your best players enter the HOF under your watch. Win more games than the 2001 Mariners. Have a higher winning percentage than the 1906 Cubs. Try to win a title with a team composed entirely of players you've drafted. There's always a new way to try to beat yourself, or MLB history.

RchW · 09-22-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JMDurron

I'd keep the current team. There is always a higher standard to obtain. Win as many titles in a row as the 1950s Yankees. Get the Team Home Page Clean Sweep (1st in everything). Get titles from every team in your organization in the same year. Watch your best players enter the HOF under your watch. Win more games than the 2001 Mariners. Have a higher winning percentage than the 1906 Cubs. Try to win a title with a team composed entirely of players you've drafted. There's always a new way to try to beat yourself, or MLB history.

Winning 5 in a row has always been my goal. The chances of it happening seem to get more remote with each version. In fact I missed the playoffs twice in v13.

That being said it can really boost you to switch teams.

Fyrestorm3 · 09-23-2013, 12:14 PM

Just personally, I can never bring myself to switch teams in a league without some outside factor (team relocation, etc.). Just switching teams on a whim feels like I'm betraying my team and the players I worked so hard on developing.

Orcin · 09-23-2013, 12:29 PM

You should switch teams if you no longer enjoy managing the current one.

BIG17EASY · 09-23-2013, 12:30 PM

I like the challenge of taking over a struggling franchise, but once I get deep into a franchise I always get tied to that team and can't bring myself to change. I always want to see if I can mold those high draft picks into all-stars or trade that veteran star for a young prospect. So usually when I'm ready for a change for some reason, I end up starting a new league rather than switching teams in the one I'm playing.

Cras · 09-23-2013, 01:03 PM

I never found myself switching teams. In the many many years of playing OOTP. I find myself rather just ripping down my current organization and rebuilding that instead of taking over another club.

ShaneCarson · 09-23-2013, 01:09 PM

This is personally one of the reasons I think YOU, as the GM, should have to sign a contract with your team. We can already be fired, but there are no terms for how long we are there for without it. If you signed a contract, you'd then have a personal incentive to test the market after your contract was up and go to the highest bidder. It'd make changing teams in the league a bit more fluid in my opinion.

rpriske · 09-23-2013, 02:29 PM

Try slashing your payroll. That will cahnge thing sup for you and give you a new challenge.

Cras · 09-23-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaneCarson

This is personally one of the reasons I think YOU, as the GM, should have to sign a contract with your team. We can already be fired, but there are no terms for how long we are there for without it. If you signed a contract, you'd then have a personal incentive to test the market after your contract was up and go to the highest bidder. It'd make changing teams in the league a bit more fluid in my opinion.

I remember when people asked for this in Football Manager SI pushed back pretty hard on the idea, but eventually they gave in and implemented it and it turned out very well imo.

Fyrestorm3 · 09-23-2013, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaneCarson

This is personally one of the reasons I think YOU, as the GM, should have to sign a contract with your team. We can already be fired, but there are no terms for how long we are there for without it. If you signed a contract, you'd then have a personal incentive to test the market after your contract was up and go to the highest bidder. It'd make changing teams in the league a bit more fluid in my opinion.

That's a darn good idea. With another little checkbox similar to "can't be fired" that would disable it, I would wholeheartedly support this.

Rizon · 09-23-2013, 04:40 PM

I managed the same team for 18 seasons (through different platforms, and playing out one season per year), winning the World Series 13 times. It was a huge investment of time and took over half of my life. Maintaining a championship team each year was a fun challenge, plus the mini "rebuildings" I did after years of not winning the WS. In 2008 I posted my first losing season ever, but won the WS in 2010, 11 and 12. It was hard to let go of that league, but I was ready for a new challenge. I created a band new league, took over the worst team in that league, gutted them a bit more and tried to turn them into a champion. Totally new challenges and it's been a great deal of fun (and frustration).

Questdog · 09-23-2013, 05:11 PM

You should switch teams and this time build a franchise without exploiting the AI's stupidity......#1 NO waiver claims allowed (it is best just to turn off waivers altogether)......#2 NO draft pick trading (this is just stupid anyways)......#3 NO trades, except 1 for 1 (no cash allowed), and you need to make sure that the team you are trading with is not screwing themselves with the deal (i.e. trading you their only good second baseman for a good catcher, when they already have a good catcher. It is also a good policy to set trading to favor whatever the opposite of the deal you are wanting to do; i.e. if you are trading a veteran to obtain prospects, set trading to favor prospects. Trading a prospect for a veteran, set it to favor veterans....no need to set it to hard, by the way)......#4 ALL free agent offers and extensions must be evenly loaded (same salary every season and no incentives).....#5 extension offers for youngsters to buy out their arbitration and free agent years must be at least $2 million per season TIMES the length of the contract (assuming default financials; i.e a 4 year contract has to be at least $8 million a year, a 7 year contract has to be at least $14 million).....

Do these things and you will NOT win 10 championships in a row and average 120 wins a season......but you WILL enjoy the times you do manage to make it to the top.....

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Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 09-23-2013, 05:32 PM

I like what Orcin did in his dynasty, which was to step away from his team for some number of years and let the AI run its course, then step back into the fold with a fresh set of circumstances to deal with.

PhilledUp · 09-23-2013, 05:58 PM

I have made leagues where I move on as soon as I win a World Series as well as ones that my goal is more long-term and I try to build a dynasty. Often I will make mini-goals within those leagues as well (no trades, free agents only get 1 yr deals, no free agents, get a player to x career wins or the hall of game, etc).

In the end, it's the typical refrain: play however you want. As long as you're staying interested and having fun.

Padreman · 09-23-2013, 08:51 PM

Keep but make rule changes i don't know what your roster size is but lets say its 25 go down to 24 or 23 that extra player or two makes a difference

MizzouRah · 09-23-2013, 09:18 PM

I like to switch teams.. especially after a World Series ring on my finger. Still haven't won one yet.. going into my 18th season.

Won many with earlier versions of OOTP.. but I'm struggling.. even with the best win % of any team in those 17 seasons combined.

Lost game 7 of the World Series last season.

Klew1986 · 09-28-2013, 08:41 AM

I have decided to expand the league to 26 teams and then will take over one of the expansion teams.. However, I won't expand until after 2025 season (currently in off-season following 2024 season).

Klew1986 · 01-04-2014, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

Winning 5 in a row has always been my goal. The chances of it happening seem to get more remote with each version. In fact I missed the playoffs twice in v13.

That being said it can really boost you to switch teams.

I actually won 5 in a row. Just fired up this specific saved game and realized I had won 5 in a row.

kmoser26721 · 01-04-2014, 07:00 PM

I have been the GM of the Astros for 15 years now and I am thinking of moving on to another team. I had great success with the astros, winning 2 world series and making it to the ALCS a few times. I am currently in 2028 and just had my first losing season in 12 years. The 6 years prior to this season were all 100 win seasons.
But after this season I looked at job offers and the ASTRONOMICAL Yankees are offering me a job. I would like to take the offer but I would feel kind of bad just leaving the Astros as they start rebuding again. But then again I would probably get fired during one of the rebuilding seasons if I stayed because we would probably suck. Not sure what to do but the Yankees are very enticing.

09-23-2013, 01:03 PM	#7
Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,789	I never found myself switching teams. In the many many years of playing OOTP. I find myself rather just ripping down my current organization and rebuilding that instead of taking over another club. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| LoL \| MLP:FIM!

09-23-2013, 04:40 PM	#12
Rizon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691 Posts: 2,369	I managed the same team for 18 seasons (through different platforms, and playing out one season per year), winning the World Series 13 times. It was a huge investment of time and took over half of my life. Maintaining a championship team each year was a fun challenge, plus the mini "rebuildings" I did after years of not winning the WS. In 2008 I posted my first losing season ever, but won the WS in 2010, 11 and 12. It was hard to let go of that league, but I was ready for a new challenge. I created a band new league, took over the worst team in that league, gutted them a bit more and tried to turn them into a champion. Totally new challenges and it's been a great deal of fun (and frustration). __________________ JML MILKSHAKES

09-23-2013, 05:11 PM	#13
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	You should switch teams and this time build a franchise without exploiting the AI's stupidity......#1 NO waiver claims allowed (it is best just to turn off waivers altogether)......#2 NO draft pick trading (this is just stupid anyways)......#3 NO trades, except 1 for 1 (no cash allowed), and you need to make sure that the team you are trading with is not screwing themselves with the deal (i.e. trading you their only good second baseman for a good catcher, when they already have a good catcher. It is also a good policy to set trading to favor whatever the opposite of the deal you are wanting to do; i.e. if you are trading a veteran to obtain prospects, set trading to favor prospects. Trading a prospect for a veteran, set it to favor veterans....no need to set it to hard, by the way)......#4 ALL free agent offers and extensions must be evenly loaded (same salary every season and no incentives).....#5 extension offers for youngsters to buy out their arbitration and free agent years must be at least $2 million per season TIMES the length of the contract (assuming default financials; i.e a 4 year contract has to be at least $8 million a year, a 7 year contract has to be at least $14 million)..... Do these things and you will NOT win 10 championships in a row and average 120 wins a season......but you WILL enjoy the times you do manage to make it to the top..... . Last edited by Questdog; 09-23-2013 at 05:16 PM.

09-23-2013, 05:32 PM	#14
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,119	I like what Orcin did in his dynasty, which was to step away from his team for some number of years and let the AI run its course, then step back into the fold with a fresh set of circumstances to deal with. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason

09-22-2013, 06:13 PM	#1
Klew1986 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,727	Time For Change? So in my fictional game, my team (Minneapolis) has won 6 of the last 7 USBL Championships. Im debating about expanding from 24 to 26 teams and taking over one of the new teams. If you guys were me, what would you do? Keep with the current team or take over a new franchise?

09-22-2013, 09:36 PM	#2
JMDurron All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,262	I'd keep the current team. There is always a higher standard to obtain. Win as many titles in a row as the 1950s Yankees. Get the Team Home Page Clean Sweep (1st in everything). Get titles from every team in your organization in the same year. Watch your best players enter the HOF under your watch. Win more games than the 2001 Mariners. Have a higher winning percentage than the 1906 Cubs. Try to win a title with a team composed entirely of players you've drafted. There's always a new way to try to beat yourself, or MLB history.

09-23-2013, 12:14 PM	#4
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	Just personally, I can never bring myself to switch teams in a league without some outside factor (team relocation, etc.). Just switching teams on a whim feels like I'm betraying my team and the players I worked so hard on developing.

09-23-2013, 12:29 PM	#5
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,847 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	You should switch teams if you no longer enjoy managing the current one.

09-23-2013, 12:30 PM	#6
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	I like the challenge of taking over a struggling franchise, but once I get deep into a franchise I always get tied to that team and can't bring myself to change. I always want to see if I can mold those high draft picks into all-stars or trade that veteran star for a young prospect. So usually when I'm ready for a change for some reason, I end up starting a new league rather than switching teams in the one I'm playing.

09-23-2013, 01:09 PM	#8
ShaneCarson All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 728	This is personally one of the reasons I think YOU, as the GM, should have to sign a contract with your team. We can already be fired, but there are no terms for how long we are there for without it. If you signed a contract, you'd then have a personal incentive to test the market after your contract was up and go to the highest bidder. It'd make changing teams in the league a bit more fluid in my opinion.

09-23-2013, 02:29 PM	#9
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 25,850	Try slashing your payroll. That will cahnge thing sup for you and give you a new challenge.

09-23-2013, 05:58 PM	#15
PhilledUp Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 261	I have made leagues where I move on as soon as I win a World Series as well as ones that my goal is more long-term and I try to build a dynasty. Often I will make mini-goals within those leagues as well (no trades, free agents only get 1 yr deals, no free agents, get a player to x career wins or the hall of game, etc). In the end, it's the typical refrain: play however you want. As long as you're staying interested and having fun.

09-23-2013, 08:51 PM	#16
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	Keep but make rule changes i don't know what your roster size is but lets say its 25 go down to 24 or 23 that extra player or two makes a difference

09-23-2013, 09:18 PM	#17
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	I like to switch teams.. especially after a World Series ring on my finger. Still haven't won one yet.. going into my 18th season. Won many with earlier versions of OOTP.. but I'm struggling.. even with the best win % of any team in those 17 seasons combined. Lost game 7 of the World Series last season.

09-28-2013, 08:41 AM	#18
Klew1986 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,727	I have decided to expand the league to 26 teams and then will take over one of the expansion teams.. However, I won't expand until after 2025 season (currently in off-season following 2024 season).

01-04-2014, 07:00 PM	#20
kmoser26721 Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1	I have been the GM of the Astros for 15 years now and I am thinking of moving on to another team. I had great success with the astros, winning 2 world series and making it to the ALCS a few times. I am currently in 2028 and just had my first losing season in 12 years. The 6 years prior to this season were all 100 win seasons. But after this season I looked at job offers and the ASTRONOMICAL Yankees are offering me a job. I would like to take the offer but I would feel kind of bad just leaving the Astros as they start rebuding again. But then again I would probably get fired during one of the rebuilding seasons if I stayed because we would probably suck. Not sure what to do but the Yankees are very enticing.