Not sure how OOTP can justify this one

Boston15 · 11-05-2013, 10:35 PM

It's June 2013 in my Red Sox dynasty. Cardinals have the best record in the MLB. And suddenly I get a news email saying that St. Louis just fired Mike Matheny as manager.

Usually I try to justify AI decisions when they don't make a lot of sense to me, but I just had to rip the computer plug out of the wall when I saw this happen.

The Wolf · 11-06-2013, 12:35 AM

You should have hired him yourself instead.

PSUColonel · 11-06-2013, 01:09 AM

it's not a joke though...way too much randomness

hfield007 · 11-06-2013, 01:24 AM

I never saw a top flight manager fired midseason like this. I'd be annoyed as well. No storyline whatsoever involved you're sure?

Are you positive Steinbrenner or Macphail aren't somehow in the game?

r0nster · 11-06-2013, 08:09 AM

Billy Martin always got fired even after they have a great season and there are a number of Managers who got let go after a play off season and more recent would be Art Howe when he was with Oakland.

Padreman · 11-06-2013, 08:11 AM

Yeah hate random stuff like that I even hate how players are doing really good and the AI realesed them mid-season I'm looking at them in the free agent pool wondering why did he get released. Sometimes the AI has realesed good players because the show up In the free agent pool with an injury for extended time. You can just can't realease hurt players

ThatSeventiesGuy · 11-06-2013, 09:18 AM

OOTP, in its wisdom, foresaw how he'd just mismanage the pitching in the postseason anyway, so dumped him early as a sort of preliminary strike.

The Wolf · 11-06-2013, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatSeventiesGuy

OOTP, in its wisdom, foresaw how he'd just mismanage the pitching in the postseason anyway, so dumped him early as a sort of preliminary strike.

The AI hated his slow hook.

Rizon · 11-06-2013, 09:46 AM

He might have been caught smoking crack with the mayor of Toronto.

That's how I'd reconcile it.

The Wolf · 11-06-2013, 11:25 AM

I ran the numbers, and from 2003 to 2012 an average of 3.9 managers a year were fired in mid-season. Chalk it up to random chance.

Rich Tiger Fan · 11-06-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

I ran the numbers, and from 2003 to 2012 an average of 3.9 managers a year were fired in mid-season. Chalk it up to random chance.

Yeah but I don't think that is the complaint here, how many of those managers were managing teams with the second best record in the league? Bad managers get fired mid season but good managers don't, unless there is some crazy scandal of some sort.

Fyrestorm3 · 11-06-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Tiger Fan

Yeah but I don't think that is the complaint here, how many of those managers were managing teams with the second best record in the league? Bad managers get fired mid season but good managers don't, unless there is some crazy scandal of some sort.

This, exactly. I've seen floundering teams fire their managers mid-season all the time, but never a good team. Something seems off here.

The Wolf · 11-06-2013, 12:17 PM

Take a look at the Steinbrenner managerial firings.

slugga27 · 11-06-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nster

Billy Martin always got fired even after they have a great season and there are a number of Managers who got let go after a play off season and more recent would be Art Howe when he was with Oakland.

Did you forget the Reds made the playoffs this year and then fired Dusty Baker?

EDIT: Also, Arte Howe is a special case, because he didn't get along with the front office.

Matt Arnold · 11-06-2013, 12:54 PM

Or in hockey:

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On April 2, 2007, the New Jersey Devils abruptly terminated Julien, despite his coaching the Devils to a 47–24–8 record which at the time was leading the Atlantic Division and tied for the second-best record in the Eastern Conference. Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello said that despite the team's stellar record, he didn't feel Julien had it ready for the playoffs.

I guess they expected more from him.

D-BacksJosh · 11-06-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by slugga27

Did you forget the Reds made the playoffs this year and then fired Dusty Baker?

EDIT: Also, Arte Howe is a special case, because he didn't get along with the front office.

Yeah but that wasn't in the middle of the season. I wouldn't mind something like this happening as long as there is some sort of explanation of the circumstances (something like a Billy Martin or Pete Rose scenario), and as long as it is EXTREMELY rare.

Fyrestorm3 · 11-06-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Take a look at the Steinbrenner managerial firings.

Wolf, I would just like to point out that you're currently arguing that this firing scenario is okay because it's happened a few times before in real life. Yet, one player leaves baseball to run for office or gets injured in a skiing accident, and suddenly it's not realistic and needs to be turned off.

BIG17EASY · 11-06-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

Wolf, I would just like to point out that you're currently arguing that this firing scenario is okay because it's happened a few times before in real life. Yet, one player leaves baseball to run for office or gets injured in a skiing accident, and suddenly it's not realistic and needs to be turned off.

For once, I'll defend Wolf. When's the last time a player quit baseball to run for political office? Sure, they've done it after retiring, but name five instances of a player quitting specifically to run for political office. And the reason I say five is because if you play 20 seasons with an MLB-type structure, you'll see that happen at least five times.

David Watts · 11-06-2013, 02:31 PM

Who was Nationals manager that quit midseason in a contract dispute? I know could google it, but heck y'all will tell me just as fast.

The Wolf · 11-06-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

Wolf, I would just like to point out that you're currently arguing that this firing scenario is okay because it's happened a few times before in real life. Yet, one player leaves baseball to run for office or gets injured in a skiing accident, and suddenly it's not realistic and needs to be turned off.

What Big17easy said, plus my objections to storylines, which I am not supposed to discuss, go much deeper than that. Go dig up my list of five suggestions to improve storylines to see what I really think.

But with managers? The average number of mid-season firings is 3.9/year, and everyone knows that some owners have been arbitrary and capricious about doing so.

11-05-2013, 10:35 PM	#1
Boston15 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 47	Not sure how OOTP can justify this one It's June 2013 in my Red Sox dynasty. Cardinals have the best record in the MLB. And suddenly I get a news email saying that St. Louis just fired Mike Matheny as manager. Usually I try to justify AI decisions when they don't make a lot of sense to me, but I just had to rip the computer plug out of the wall when I saw this happen.

11-06-2013, 01:24 AM	#4
hfield007 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,737	I never saw a top flight manager fired midseason like this. I'd be annoyed as well. No storyline whatsoever involved you're sure? Are you positive Steinbrenner or Macphail aren't somehow in the game? Last edited by hfield007; 11-06-2013 at 01:29 AM.

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ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,429	OOTP, in its wisdom, foresaw how he'd just mismanage the pitching in the postseason anyway, so dumped him early as a sort of preliminary strike. __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1

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Rizon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691 Posts: 2,370	He might have been caught smoking crack with the mayor of Toronto. That's how I'd reconcile it. __________________ JML MILKSHAKES

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PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,141	it's not a joke though...way too much randomness

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r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,082	Billy Martin always got fired even after they have a great season and there are a number of Managers who got let go after a play off season and more recent would be Art Howe when he was with Oakland.

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Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	Yeah hate random stuff like that I even hate how players are doing really good and the AI realesed them mid-season I'm looking at them in the free agent pool wondering why did he get released. Sometimes the AI has realesed good players because the show up In the free agent pool with an injury for extended time. You can just can't realease hurt players

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David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,159 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Who was Nationals manager that quit midseason in a contract dispute? I know could google it, but heck y'all will tell me just as fast.