Promised Role

PSUColonel · 08-28-2013, 07:34 PM

Is this part of contract negotiation ever demanded by players? I have a team with players who could all start at the same position, but yet when I go to re-negotiate a contract with them, you would think they would demand a sarting role. Does this part of OOTP work well?

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 08-28-2013, 07:42 PM

I don't recall seeing it "demanded" as a sticking point in contract negotiations, but I've definitely seen players include a "promised role" in the initial "here's what I'd sign for" presentation when you enter the contract negotiation screen.

RchW · 08-28-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

I don't recall seeing it "demanded" as a sticking point in contract negotiations, but I've definitely seen players include a "promised role" in the initial "here's what I'd sign for" presentation when you enter the contract negotiation screen.

That is a "demand" by definition. I get them all the time and my team rule is not to give any promised roles. Money talks.

I question whether these actually exist IRL. If they did and a player was traded then he would have recourse via contract law against the new team. Can you imagine 3 or more players all having the same promised role. Not happening. If these promises are not are not enforceable under the contract then they are meaningless and should not be in the game.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 08-28-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

That is a "demand" by definition. I get them all the time and my team rule is not to give any promised roles. Money talks.

Yes, I worded that awkwardly. I just meant I'd never seen a player refuse to sign for no other reason than his role.

David Watts · 08-28-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

That is a "demand" by definition. I get them all the time and my team rule is not to give any promised roles. Money talks.

I question whether these actually exist IRL. If they did and a player was traded then he would have recourse via contract law against the new team. Can you imagine 3 or more players all having the same promised role. Not happening. If these promises are not are not enforceable under the contract then they are meaningless and should not be in the game.

I always thought these demands were simply part of the morale system and personality ratings

nyy26wc · 08-28-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

That is a "demand" by definition. I get them all the time and my team rule is not to give any promised roles. Money talks.

I've never noticed. But, if you are getting them all of the time, it makes me assume that I have been getting them all of the time too and that makes me wonder how many times I've given them out without even knowing it.

RonP · 08-28-2013, 08:55 PM

I've never had a player ask for a promised role.

nyy26wc · 08-28-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nyy26wc

I've never noticed. But, if you are getting them all of the time, it makes me assume that I have been getting them all of the time too and that makes me wonder how many times I've given them out without even knowing it.

Nope. I haven't been giving them out like candy. I just went down my roster, player by player, looking at their contracts. Not a single one of them has a promised position listed as a contract term. (And, just to test whether it would show up, I temporarily edited a contract to give a role and saw that, yes, it does show up on the contract & status page.

PSUColonel · 08-28-2013, 11:16 PM

I hate to say it, and I know people are going to rail one me, but it's clear players don't have the same type of personality model in FM. Players in FM do make such demands. In other words, the feature is there because it has a working model within the game. In OOTP it feels like a cosmetic feature. I hope I'm not wrong, but a lot of these little features (such as this one) feel cosmetic...rather than working features not only on the side of the player (us) but also, the AI.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 08-28-2013, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

In OOTP it feels like a cosmetic feature. I hope I'm not wrong, but a lot of these little features (such as this one) feel cosmetic...rather than working features not only on the side of the player (us) but also, the AI.

It's clear that a player's expectations not being met in terms of their role on the team has a real effect in terms of their morale, which in turn affects whatever morale effects.

PSUColonel · 08-28-2013, 11:47 PM

Ok, but wouldn't a player who sees other players of similar (or in some cases above) talent on the roster demand a starting role during negotiations in order to stay at the club?

PSUColonel · 08-28-2013, 11:49 PM

players do seem to have expectations however...how are these related? if at all?

Jeff Reed · 08-29-2013, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

That is a "demand" by definition. I get them all the time and my team rule is not to give any promised roles. Money talks.

I question whether these actually exist IRL. If they did and a player was traded then he would have recourse via contract law against the new team. Can you imagine 3 or more players all having the same promised role. Not happening. If these promises are not are not enforceable under the contract then they are meaningless and should not be in the game.

Just include a clause that extinguishes the "promise clause" upon a trade.

RchW · 08-29-2013, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Reed

Just include a clause that extinguishes the "promise clause" upon a trade.

No way any player or agent IRL would allow that. That is why I think they don't exist IRL

kingcharlesxii · 08-29-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

That is a "demand" by definition. I get them all the time and my team rule is not to give any promised roles. Money talks.

I question whether these actually exist IRL. If they did and a player was traded then he would have recourse via contract law against the new team. Can you imagine 3 or more players all having the same promised role. Not happening. If these promises are not are not enforceable under the contract then they are meaningless and should not be in the game.

I look at it more as a verbal promise you're giving to the player rather than a written in stone contract clause. I think it makes more sense that way and those certainly exist in the major leagues.

RchW · 08-29-2013, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kingcharlesxii

I look at it more as a verbal promise you're giving to the player rather than a written in stone contract clause. I think it makes more sense that way and those certainly exist in the major leagues.

You could be right. Do they disappear after a trade? If not then the feature is not properly implemented.

08-28-2013, 07:34 PM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,117	Promised Role Is this part of contract negotiation ever demanded by players? I have a team with players who could all start at the same position, but yet when I go to re-negotiate a contract with them, you would think they would demand a sarting role. Does this part of OOTP work well?

08-28-2013, 07:42 PM	#2
Cinnamon J. Scudworth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,119	I don't recall seeing it "demanded" as a sticking point in contract negotiations, but I've definitely seen players include a "promised role" in the initial "here's what I'd sign for" presentation when you enter the contract negotiation screen. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason

08-28-2013, 08:55 PM	#7
RonP Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 226	I've never had a player ask for a promised role.

08-28-2013, 11:16 PM	#9
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,117	I hate to say it, and I know people are going to rail one me, but it's clear players don't have the same type of personality model in FM. Players in FM do make such demands. In other words, the feature is there because it has a working model within the game. In OOTP it feels like a cosmetic feature. I hope I'm not wrong, but a lot of these little features (such as this one) feel cosmetic...rather than working features not only on the side of the player (us) but also, the AI.

08-28-2013, 11:47 PM	#11
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,117	Ok, but wouldn't a player who sees other players of similar (or in some cases above) talent on the roster demand a starting role during negotiations in order to stay at the club?

08-28-2013, 11:49 PM	#12
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,117	players do seem to have expectations however...how are these related? if at all?