Checking for interest in 19th century Historical League

Pyroman · 02-06-2003, 02:05 AM

I am interested in starting an Historic league using real players starting in 1871. I have done this as a solo league but think it would work out much better with human owners for the teams.

My basic plan would be to start with 8 teams (2 leagues of 4) and a 60 game schedule.

As more players are uploaded through the years the league would eventually expand to 16 teams and a 154 game schedule.

Also the only historic aspect will be the players as the owners will get to pick where their team is located and will also design their own stadiums. Finances and Coaches would be turned on, but injuries would be turned off until league supports full 25 man rosters.

Before I go crazy setting this thing up, I wanted to see how much interest their would be in this venture.

I also haven't decided whether to start now or wait for OOTP5. If you think you would have an interest in this type of league, please respond to this post or email me at pmpiro@yahoo.com

Thanks.
Pete

MannyTrillo · 02-06-2003, 03:12 AM

This is definitely the kind of thing I'd be interested in, I've always wanted to play in a league in this era. I don't know if I would have time to sign up at first myself, but I'd certainly keep an eye on it and definitely join if I could.

FWIW, I'd much rather see financials off, and the actual teams used... if you let everyone name their own teams, you're bound to get a couple of people who don't give their teams names that fit with the era, which kind of detracts from the whole thing for me anyway.

In any case, good luck with this, I'll certainly be keeping an eye on it!

Jestre · 02-06-2003, 08:48 AM

I agree with Manny, why free agency in 1871??? And why invite the possibility of the "Bumwadtown Cyberpunks" winning the Union Division Pennant in a domed articial turfed stadium with a 220' rightfield fence in 1871....

Eckstein 4 Prez · 02-06-2003, 11:31 AM

I'm very interested. My solo league started in 1876, is now in 1894 (ugh! too much hitting....) and I'm having a blast with it. I use financials, because I'm not trying to replay MLB (without more flexibility in customizing/adding leagues, it just doesn't work well), and I've enjoyed every minute of it. I'd love to be a part of something like this with a good commish and good owners.

Rick

satchel · 02-06-2003, 12:49 PM

This might be on the horizon. It’s fictional, but from the same time period, with some of the same ideas.

Pyroman · 02-06-2003, 04:11 PM

Thanks to everyone for replying with your input.

I definitely plan on using financials because I like the way it works, and besides before the reserve clause of 1879, contracts didn't really mean anything and players would defect from one team to another pretty much anytime they wanted.

I also want this league to be more stable than the National Association was at the time. No teams will fold, but I will come up with relocation rules for when an owner wants to move a team.

Quote:

Originally posted by Jestre
And why invite the possibility of the "Bumwadtown Cyberpunks" winning the Union Division Pennant in a domed articial turfed stadium with a 220' rightfield fence in 1871....

I agree with this and do not want to see it happen, so there will also be naming convention rules that will need to be followed. I may even just have a list of Team Markets for owners to choose from.

The stadiums will have limits on them as far as size goes. Even though this part of it will be fictional, I want to try to keep things consistent with the technology of the time. So there won't be any domes or turfed ballparks in the 1800's, and also there will be a limit to dimensions as well.

I am still in the very early stages of planning this and am always open to suggestions. Again, the one thing I will not change my mind about is having Financials turned on.

goroyals · 02-07-2003, 09:55 AM

I would be interested in joining a league like this. I agree that financials should be on. I don't mind picking from a city-list, just so long as I get my own field+nickname.

IatricSB · 02-07-2003, 11:52 AM

I'd be interested in that period if financials were off and the structure followed real life (no made up teams).

goroyals · 02-09-2003, 12:46 PM

Bump

Pyroman · 02-09-2003, 04:12 PM

For those interested:

Do you think it would be better to start with one league with eight teams, then add a second league later, or two leagues with four teams each?

Things I know about the league so far:

It will start in 1871 with real players.

Financials will be on.

A basic ballpark will be provided for each team. The basic design of the ballpark will depend on the era it is built. The owner will come up with the name and will be able to "enhance" it for additional money. I will also come up with a system for when teams want to move to new ballparks.

I will provide a list of team markets(Cities) that are available. Team names are up to the owner although they must fit with the style of the time.

I will formally announce when the league is ready to begin.

Thanks for all interested.

josborne · 02-09-2003, 05:43 PM

i am very interested in joining this type of league

goroyals · 02-09-2003, 05:51 PM

I think it would be best to start with two leagues so we can have play-offs.

slackmeisterPA · 02-09-2003, 06:06 PM

I think I'd be interested in a league like this. I like the idea of fictional teams so long as the names go with the era.

By the way, satchel, what is that site you gave the link to? It looks very interesting.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 02-09-2003, 06:43 PM

I'd say the best way to start would be with two leagues.... when I started my solo league (with the 1876 season), I would have mirrored real life, but it just seemed like a big hassle trying to add a league later - I don't really remember, but I think it involved starting over when you want to expand leagues and importing the players from the old one. I didn't really want that, so what I did was import all of the 1871-76 players in 1876, so that I could start with 16 teams. Not exactly realistic.... but the best I could come up with under the circumstances.

Anyway, the point is - I think two leagues would just be easier to deal with. I'm still very interested in joining if this gets off the ground. Feel free to email me at whrimfunis@yahoo.com and let me know if and when things are ready to roll.

satchel · 02-10-2003, 10:58 AM

Slack, my link is to a short dummy league that Devaneyfan and a couple of his buddies played with, as a preliminary to making a real league of the same type. They haven’t actually commited to starting it, but they said that when OotP5 comes out, they might start up one like the sample they posted.

When the time comes, be on the lookout for a 1881 or 1882 league started by Devaneyfan. You might even email him and ask about current details, it was a few weeks ago when he originally posted the idea.

AngelinOF · 02-11-2003, 02:19 AM

If you plan to use financials I would certainly wait until OOTP5 since then you will be able to adjust the finances to the era you would be playing.

02-06-2003, 02:05 AM	#1
Pyroman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York Posts: 158	Checking for interest in 19th century Historical League I am interested in starting an Historic league using real players starting in 1871. I have done this as a solo league but think it would work out much better with human owners for the teams. My basic plan would be to start with 8 teams (2 leagues of 4) and a 60 game schedule. As more players are uploaded through the years the league would eventually expand to 16 teams and a 154 game schedule. Also the only historic aspect will be the players as the owners will get to pick where their team is located and will also design their own stadiums. Finances and Coaches would be turned on, but injuries would be turned off until league supports full 25 man rosters. Before I go crazy setting this thing up, I wanted to see how much interest their would be in this venture. I also haven't decided whether to start now or wait for OOTP5. If you think you would have an interest in this type of league, please respond to this post or email me at pmpiro@yahoo.com Thanks. Pete

02-06-2003, 03:12 AM	#2
MannyTrillo All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 664	This is definitely the kind of thing I'd be interested in, I've always wanted to play in a league in this era. I don't know if I would have time to sign up at first myself, but I'd certainly keep an eye on it and definitely join if I could. FWIW, I'd much rather see financials off, and the actual teams used... if you let everyone name their own teams, you're bound to get a couple of people who don't give their teams names that fit with the era, which kind of detracts from the whole thing for me anyway. In any case, good luck with this, I'll certainly be keeping an eye on it! __________________ Poster emeritus "Not butchery, dining!!" obt sk cmh ct President, A-1 Aces OT Posting Club Click here to join

02-06-2003, 08:48 AM	#3
Jestre All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North Smithfield,Ri,USA Posts: 612	I agree with Manny, why free agency in 1871??? And why invite the possibility of the "Bumwadtown Cyberpunks" winning the Union Division Pennant in a domed articial turfed stadium with a 220' rightfield fence in 1871.... __________________ My eyes perceive the present, but my roots are imbedded deeply in the grandeur of the past. "Chief Meyers"

02-06-2003, 11:31 AM	#4
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	I'm very interested. My solo league started in 1876, is now in 1894 (ugh! too much hitting....) and I'm having a blast with it. I use financials, because I'm not trying to replay MLB (without more flexibility in customizing/adding leagues, it just doesn't work well), and I've enjoyed every minute of it. I'd love to be a part of something like this with a good commish and good owners. Rick __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

02-06-2003, 12:49 PM	#5
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	This might be on the horizon. It’s fictional, but from the same time period, with some of the same ideas. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

02-07-2003, 09:55 AM	#7
goroyals All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 930	I would be interested in joining a league like this. I agree that financials should be on. I don't mind picking from a city-list, just so long as I get my own field+nickname.

02-07-2003, 11:52 AM	#8
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	I'd be interested in that period if financials were off and the structure followed real life (no made up teams). __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards

02-09-2003, 12:46 PM	#9
goroyals All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 930	Bump

02-09-2003, 04:12 PM	#10
Pyroman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York Posts: 158	Re: Checking for interest in 19th century Historical League For those interested: Do you think it would be better to start with one league with eight teams, then add a second league later, or two leagues with four teams each? Things I know about the league so far: It will start in 1871 with real players. Financials will be on. A basic ballpark will be provided for each team. The basic design of the ballpark will depend on the era it is built. The owner will come up with the name and will be able to "enhance" it for additional money. I will also come up with a system for when teams want to move to new ballparks. I will provide a list of team markets(Cities) that are available. Team names are up to the owner although they must fit with the style of the time. I will formally announce when the league is ready to begin. Thanks for all interested.

02-09-2003, 05:43 PM	#11
josborne Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: russellville, oh Posts: 5	i am very interested in joining this type of league

02-09-2003, 05:51 PM	#12
goroyals All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 930	I think it would be best to start with two leagues so we can have play-offs.

02-09-2003, 06:06 PM	#13
slackmeisterPA Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 275	I think I'd be interested in a league like this. I like the idea of fictional teams so long as the names go with the era. By the way, satchel, what is that site you gave the link to? It looks very interesting.

02-09-2003, 06:43 PM	#14
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	I'd say the best way to start would be with two leagues.... when I started my solo league (with the 1876 season), I would have mirrored real life, but it just seemed like a big hassle trying to add a league later - I don't really remember, but I think it involved starting over when you want to expand leagues and importing the players from the old one. I didn't really want that, so what I did was import all of the 1871-76 players in 1876, so that I could start with 16 teams. Not exactly realistic.... but the best I could come up with under the circumstances. Anyway, the point is - I think two leagues would just be easier to deal with. I'm still very interested in joining if this gets off the ground. Feel free to email me at whrimfunis@yahoo.com and let me know if and when things are ready to roll. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

02-10-2003, 10:58 AM	#15
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	league Slack, my link is to a short dummy league that Devaneyfan and a couple of his buddies played with, as a preliminary to making a real league of the same type. They haven’t actually commited to starting it, but they said that when OotP5 comes out, they might start up one like the sample they posted. When the time comes, be on the lookout for a 1881 or 1882 league started by Devaneyfan. You might even email him and ask about current details, it was a few weeks ago when he originally posted the idea. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

02-11-2003, 02:19 AM	#16
AngelinOF All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,353	If you plan to use financials I would certainly wait until OOTP5 since then you will be able to adjust the finances to the era you would be playing.