Why Is This Player Ineligible for Playoff Roster?

Charlie Hough · 07-03-2013, 09:22 PM

I'm running a historical game and the season is 1962. My team just made the World Series and I need to submit my playoff roster.

Buck Rodgers played 73 games during the season, is on the active roster, is on the 40-man roster, and is not on the disabled list. Yet he is supposedly ineligible for the playoff roster. How can this be?

And how to I edit the player to correct this?

RchW · 07-03-2013, 10:32 PM

Where was he on Aug 31 1962?

Charlie Hough · 07-03-2013, 10:51 PM

It looks like he was in AAA temporarily because I didn't want to send down another player who had to clear waivers. After a series of injuries caused me to shuffle the roster, I had demoted him since he had option years remaining.

Had I know this was going to be an issue, I would have called him up on August 31.

As it was, I called him up on Sept 1 since the roster was expanded anyway.

Is there no way to edit this? Am I able to change the transactions log and force the game to make him eligible? I don't see anything in the editor that would allow me to change his status.

RchW · 07-03-2013, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

It looks like he was in AAA temporarily because I didn't want to send down another player who had to clear waivers. So I demoted him earlier since he had options years remaining.

Had I know this was going to be an issue, I would have called him up on August 31.

As it was, I called him up on Sept 1 since the roster was expanded anyway.

Is there no way to edit this? Am I able to change the transactions log and force the game to make him eligible? I don't see anything in the editor that would allow me to change his status.

Do you have anyone on the DL from Aug 31 or now? If so he can be put on the playoff roster.

Fyrestorm3 · 07-03-2013, 11:06 PM

You can always just go into Commish Mode and edit him to be eligible. Halfway down on the left side, there's a checkbox for Playoff Roster Eligibility.

Charlie Hough · 07-03-2013, 11:54 PM

I am in commissioner mode, and there is no option to edit a player's eligibility.

It's too late. I finally got fed up with it and just went into the World Series without him.

The game needs to have a reminder that, if it's August 31, you need to make sure that everyone you potentially want on the playoff roster is already on your active roster.

Or it needs to allow a player to be edited so that he is playoff eligible.

Fyrestorm3 · 07-04-2013, 12:18 AM

Le Grande Orange · 07-04-2013, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

The game needs to have a reminder that, if it's August 31, you need to make sure that everyone you potentially want on the playoff roster is already on your active roster.

No offence, but it's YOUR job as GM to understand the relevant transaction rules and to be aware of any important dates.

Charlie Hough · 07-05-2013, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

No offence, but it's YOUR job as GM to understand the relevant transaction rules and to be aware of any important dates.

Then why does the game notify the user about the trade deadline, rule 5 draft, rookie draft, or roster expansion? Sorry, but your argument doesn't fly and isn't supported by the game's other design elements and features. Based on your logic, all reminders or notifications like this should be removed.

Le Grande Orange · 07-05-2013, 03:20 AM

Whether the game provides prompts or not does not obviate you from being a GM and knowing the various important dates and rules. You screwed up as GM. I'd say take your medicine, learn from the mistake, and move on. I don't expect you'll be overlooking the significance of Aug. 31 again!

Indeed, the problem seems to have arisen because you were too reliant on the game to remind you of everything. Which to me argues perhaps the game ought not to do as much hand-holding of its users.

Gator · 07-05-2013, 10:54 AM

I'm thinking the game came be a little daunting to new players and anything that can be done to assist them can only help grow the community.

rpriske · 07-05-2013, 12:21 PM

While it WAS his mistake, I don't think asking that the game send out a reminder (like it does for those other important dates mentioned) is an unreasonable enhancement request.

RchW · 07-05-2013, 12:59 PM

I agree. If there is a reminder on trade deadline day and roster expansion day and when DFA runs out it doesn't seem over the top to have "set your potential playoff roster day" flagged. Take note that all of them except Aug 31 will kick out of a sim so the precedent has been set.

Le Grande Orange · 07-05-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gator

I'm thinking the game came be a little daunting to new players and anything that can be done to assist them can only help grow the community.

I would agree.

Except in this case I don't think Charlie is a new user. He's been around the game for awhile. So for someone new to the game the error is quite understandable. For an experienced user, I'm less inclined to be quite as sympathetic.

Fyrestorm3 · 07-05-2013, 02:15 PM

I still want to know why he couldn't find the Playoff Roster Eligibility option...

Le Grande Orange · 07-05-2013, 02:38 PM

What's interesting in MLB is that many of its key dates are fixed and have changed little of the years. The main fixed dates of interest (not all of which are applicable to OOTP): May 15, June 15, July 31, Aug. 15, Aug. 31/Sept. 1.

r0nster · 07-05-2013, 10:08 PM

point of fact the game DOES remind the player of whats next such as draft and trading day and roster expansion. Playoff moves you name it. It will put a message in the message box or you can hit play now and the drop down screen will show the upcoming events for the current season

akw4572 · 07-29-2013, 09:27 AM

I think the game is doing this incorrectly. Any player who has been up before August 31 should be eligible, correct? They don't have to be UP on that date? For example, if I have a player that has played all of June, but gets sent back down, comes up September 1, and remains on, until the end of the season, he should be eligible for playoffs, correct? If not, then only the 25 guys up on 8/31 are eligible, barring injury?

nyy26wc · 07-29-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by akw4572

I think the game is doing this incorrectly. Any player who has been up before August 31 should be eligible, correct? They don't have to be UP on that date? For example, if I have a player that has played all of June, but gets sent back down, comes up September 1, and remains on, until the end of the season, he should be eligible for playoffs, correct? If not, then only the 25 guys up on 8/31 are eligible, barring injury?

No. The player has to be UP on that date.

At least he used to have to be, until Brian Cashman found the loophole. Now, as a practical matter, he just has to be on the 40 man roster on 8/31. There's a loophole that allows you to replace an injured player with anyone who was on the 40 man on 8/31. The only limit is a non P has to be replaced by a non P and a P has to be replaced by a P.

What Cashman was the 1st to realize was, all he needed was to have a single player be on the DL on 8/31 and still be out when the postseason started. Then, that player could be on the postseason roster, but then immediately replaced by anyone who was on the 40 man on 8/31. Once Cashman started to use that loophole, everyone has been doing it. So, now, as a practical matter, all a player has to do is in be on the 40 on 8/31.

The most prominent example of this loophole was the 2002 Angels. Steve Green pitched in only 1 game in his whole career, but played his role in helping the Angels win the 2002 World Series. Green was on the DL the entire season. Since he was in the majors on 8/31 (albeit on the DL), Green was eligible for, and placed on, the postseason roster. He was then immediately able to be replaced due to injury. The Angels replaced him with September callup Francisco Rodriguez and the rest is history.

Another prominent example was the Rays placing September callup David Price on the postseason roster in 2008.

OOTP doesn't allow that loophole.

Matt Arnold · 07-29-2013, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by akw4572

I think the game is doing this incorrectly. Any player who has been up before August 31 should be eligible, correct? They don't have to be UP on that date? For example, if I have a player that has played all of June, but gets sent back down, comes up September 1, and remains on, until the end of the season, he should be eligible for playoffs, correct? If not, then only the 25 guys up on 8/31 are eligible, barring injury?

No, it is only players who were up on Aug31 that are eligible. So that player in your example before is not eligible (except as an injury replacement).

Playoff roster in OOTP is:
25 players on roster on Aug 31 +
anybody who was on the DL on Aug 31 +
Anybody if someone of the 25 eligible on Aug31 gets placed on the DL before the playoffs

07-03-2013, 09:22 PM	#1
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,640	Why Is This Player Ineligible for Playoff Roster? I'm running a historical game and the season is 1962. My team just made the World Series and I need to submit my playoff roster. Buck Rodgers played 73 games during the season, is on the active roster, is on the 40-man roster, and is not on the disabled list. Yet he is supposedly ineligible for the playoff roster. How can this be? And how to I edit the player to correct this?

07-03-2013, 10:32 PM	#2
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Where was he on Aug 31 1962? __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

07-03-2013, 10:51 PM	#3
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,640	It looks like he was in AAA temporarily because I didn't want to send down another player who had to clear waivers. After a series of injuries caused me to shuffle the roster, I had demoted him since he had option years remaining. Had I know this was going to be an issue, I would have called him up on August 31. As it was, I called him up on Sept 1 since the roster was expanded anyway. Is there no way to edit this? Am I able to change the transactions log and force the game to make him eligible? I don't see anything in the editor that would allow me to change his status. Last edited by Charlie Hough; 07-03-2013 at 10:54 PM.

07-05-2013, 03:20 AM	#10
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	Whether the game provides prompts or not does not obviate you from being a GM and knowing the various important dates and rules. You screwed up as GM. I'd say take your medicine, learn from the mistake, and move on. I don't expect you'll be overlooking the significance of Aug. 31 again! Indeed, the problem seems to have arisen because you were too reliant on the game to remind you of everything. Which to me argues perhaps the game ought not to do as much hand-holding of its users. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 07-05-2013 at 01:22 PM.

07-05-2013, 10:54 AM	#11
Gator Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 149	I'm thinking the game came be a little daunting to new players and anything that can be done to assist them can only help grow the community. __________________ Baseball will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set, Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. Walt Whitman

07-03-2013, 11:06 PM	#5
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	You can always just go into Commish Mode and edit him to be eligible. Halfway down on the left side, there's a checkbox for Playoff Roster Eligibility.

07-03-2013, 11:54 PM	#6
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,640	I am in commissioner mode, and there is no option to edit a player's eligibility. It's too late. I finally got fed up with it and just went into the World Series without him. The game needs to have a reminder that, if it's August 31, you need to make sure that everyone you potentially want on the playoff roster is already on your active roster. Or it needs to allow a player to be edited so that he is playoff eligible.

07-04-2013, 12:18 AM	#7
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928

07-05-2013, 12:21 PM	#12
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 25,870	While it WAS his mistake, I don't think asking that the game send out a reminder (like it does for those other important dates mentioned) is an unreasonable enhancement request.

07-05-2013, 12:59 PM	#13
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	I agree. If there is a reminder on trade deadline day and roster expansion day and when DFA runs out it doesn't seem over the top to have "set your potential playoff roster day" flagged. Take note that all of them except Aug 31 will kick out of a sim so the precedent has been set. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

07-05-2013, 02:15 PM	#15
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	I still want to know why he couldn't find the Playoff Roster Eligibility option...

07-05-2013, 02:38 PM	#16
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	What's interesting in MLB is that many of its key dates are fixed and have changed little of the years. The main fixed dates of interest (not all of which are applicable to OOTP): May 15, June 15, July 31, Aug. 15, Aug. 31/Sept. 1.

07-05-2013, 10:08 PM	#17
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,047	point of fact the game DOES remind the player of whats next such as draft and trading day and roster expansion. Playoff moves you name it. It will put a message in the message box or you can hit play now and the drop down screen will show the upcoming events for the current season

07-29-2013, 09:27 AM	#18
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	I think the game is doing this incorrectly. Any player who has been up before August 31 should be eligible, correct? They don't have to be UP on that date? For example, if I have a player that has played all of June, but gets sent back down, comes up September 1, and remains on, until the end of the season, he should be eligible for playoffs, correct? If not, then only the 25 guys up on 8/31 are eligible, barring injury?