My Great Teams of the past Site

[Night2000]

If anyone is interested I put up my Great Teams of the past on my Website.
<a href="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lonniev/" target="_blank">Great Teams</a>
Keep in mind that I only imported 24 teams from both leagues. Yes there are quite a few Yankee teams. Hey you gotta have the 27, 61, and 98 Yankees. To try and get these teams from different eras to play on an even field. I took the League averages of each year each team represented. Then applied them to the total.
As an example 1906 Chicago Cubs: I took the
team averages. So in 1906 in the NL the league totals averaged out to each team having:[code]
4679 AB 1212 hits 157 doubles 61 triples 16 hr 421 walks 47 hbp 567 k </pre><hr></blockquote>
So I did that for each year each team represents
I then added all the totals to the League Setup
which came to this:
[code]
126825 AB 33115 Hits 5411 doubles 1217 triples 2338 hr 11856 bb 810 hbp 16803 k
</pre><hr></blockquote>
What I hope this accomplishes is having the deadball hitters having maybe more HR. While the guys of the later eras hitting less. After all if the players of today were playing in the deadball era. There would be no way anyone would hit 72 HR
while on the same token a guy like Homerun Baker would likely hit more with today's juiced up ball. Another interesting matchup are the old time workhorse pitches seeing how they match up with todays and recent great hitters.
So far I've only played up to the All-star break.
The teams are halfway through the season. I'm playing with injuries off and trading off for obvious reasons. So if anyone wants check it out!

[Steve Kuffrey]

Good job, but hard enough to stomach ONE Yankee team, much less 3.

[zhivago47]

I agree with you about the Yankee teams....one is too many!! But then, I am a diehard Red Sox fan! What else would I say?

[Shorty]

YOUVE GOTTA BE KIDDIN ME!

Johnny Bench just batted .197 for you! This makes me sick!

Good job!

[spleen1015]

The '27 and '61 Yankees are good additions because I wasn't alive to witness them. Now, the '98 team can go

[IatricSB]

[quote]Originally posted by Shorty:
<strong>Johnny Bench just batted .197 for you! This makes me sick!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Pretty low, but then he had an off year that year (only hit .234). So .197 against the best teams sounds right (unfortunately for Bench).

[Night2000]

[quote]Originally posted by OOTP1:
<strong>Good job, but hard enough to stomach ONE Yankee team, much less 3. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks, Yeah too many damn Yankees. LOL...

[Night2000]

[quote]Originally posted by spleen1015:
<strong>The '27 and '61 Yankees are good additions because I wasn't alive to witness them. Now, the '98 team can go </strong><hr></blockquote>

Funny thing is the 98 Yanks seem to be holding their own so far. Still I'm just a little over half the season. Plus I think a few replays are in order to get a true reading.

[Night2000]

[quote]Originally posted by IatricSB:
<strong>

Pretty low, but then he had an off year that year (only hit .234). So .197 against the best teams sounds right (unfortunately for Bench).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Very true, but the season is only half way and bench may catch fire towards the second half.

[mwallstar]

WHere the hell are the 2k1 Mariners
Remember the two of the top 3 players of the league? ichiro and Boone? the whole 116 win thing and not to mention the best rotation in baseball last year Moyer, Piniero, Abbott, Sele, and o yeah Garcia.
If your talking about the best teams u have to include the mariners

[Lee]

All this hate for the Yankees, were you all scarred from being forced to wear pinstriped suits as small children

[Night2000]

[quote]Originally posted by mwallstar:
<strong>WHere the hell are the 2k1 Mariners
Remember the two of the top 3 players of the league? ichiro and Boone? the whole 116 win thing and not to mention the best rotation in baseball last year Moyer, Piniero, Abbott, Sele, and o yeah Garcia.
If your talking about the best teams u have to include the mariners</strong><hr></blockquote>

True the 2k1 Mariners were a great team and certainly deserve to be in a Great Team Replay.
That's the beauty of this game, many replays are ahead with many great teams to play.

[John C]

This concept is interesting, and I'm always curious to see how various teams do against teams from other eras. However, I think to truly portray how teams from one era do against a team from another era, you have to turn the clock, so to speak.

Bill James said it best when comparing the 61 Yankees and the 1911 Athletics. To be fair, James doesn't think the 61 Yanks are even a *great* team, let alone one of the greatest ever (read his Historical Baseball Abstract for the reasons why). Anyway, this is his argument:

Can the 61 Yanks travel to 1911 to play the A's in the dead ball era and win? Can they win without being able to hit homers, and play the game the way it was played back then? By the same token, can the A's enter the 61 era and beat the Yanks?

James said that the 61 Yanks probably had no chance of beating the A's without the homer (he provides more than enough evidence on that). I don't recall what would happen if both games were in 1961.

So now, what would be very interesting would be running a tournament, say of 32 teams, and having a 154-game schedule for each "game". This is much like Baseball Weekly's tournament from a few years ago. With OOTP, you can set up the individual eras, and have 77 games played in one era, and 77 played in the other, to make it fair.

Just my $.02.

Peace
John

[Night2000]

John C That was an interesting post and the idea of matching up the 61 Yankees vs. 11 Athletics in their own eras would be interesting.
What I'm attempting to do is have the teams all meet on more equal terms by including the League averages of every team represented. However your proposal of having the 61 Yanks playing in the Deadball era would be intersting to try and simulate. Or having the Athletics play on 1961 settings. Your idea puts each team to the extreme. Now keep in mind that one reason why the 61 Yanks were considered as one of the great teams were their power. 240 team homers with Mantle and Maris providing almost half! The one thing I'm not sure is how the game engine would handle this. For instance we can transport the Yanks to 1911 and play with the deadball settings. However Guys like Mantle and Maris would still have high Homerun ratings. So I'm not sure how the game engine would handle this. It definitely would be a fun test. The 11 Athletics had outstanding pitching. In this game as in real life I notice that the teams with good - great pitching usually do well. Even in my great teams re-play you can see that the teams with great pitching are dominating. The only big surprise is how well the 1998 Yankees are doing. While the 27 and 61 Yanks are struggling. However the season is only half way. Plus a few re-plays should be done to get an accurate picture. What is encouraging is that I'm seeing the deadball teams already hitting as many homers halfway through the season as they did in real life. So I figure most will hit double, which still isn't much. I think 1906 Chicago cubs hit a total of 16 homers. So in my re-play they may end up with around 32.
Which is as it should be, as the 61 Yanks will end up with less then 240 at the end of my re-play. SO I would say the game is pretty much simulating what I was hoping for. However to play as you suggested would also be interesting. Plus I would really be interested to see how the game would handle say a Mantle or Maris with a 12-17 HR rating with the deadball settings.

[David Gray]

The 2001 Mariners don't belong in any discussion of all time great teams. If you don't make the World Series, you don't make the discussion.

Dave

[Night2000]

[quote]Originally posted by David Gray:
<strong>The 2001 Mariners don't belong in any discussion of all time great teams. If you don't make the World Series, you don't make the discussion.
Dave</strong><hr></blockquote>
I see your point, but in my view.
Any team winning 116 games is considered a great team to me. They may have not won the series, but that could also be attributed to a bad losing streak. Winning and losing streaks can't be controlled.

[David Gray]

I guess to my mind a great team will at least find a way to get to the series, if not win it...

Dave

[Ankit]

[quote]Originally posted by David Gray:
<strong>I guess to my mind a great team will at least find a way to get to the series, if not win it...

Dave</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you are basically discounting the performance of a team during the regular season. Because what they do in playoffs alone makes them great. Thats pretty unreasonable. So you would say that the 98 Padres were a better team than the 2001 Mariners? Also, keep in mind that there are playoff division and championship series nowadays, it wasn't so until 1969. For a better discussion of great teams from Modern Baseball, there is an article on <a href="http://www.400studios.com" target="_blank">www.400studios.com</a> entitled The 64 Best Baseball Teams of All-Time (http://www.400studios.com/vault_files/001.lit). Its in e-book format. The Reader to read the file can be downloaded here for free: <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/reader/download.asp" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/reader/download.asp</a>

It's worth reading.