Career Ending Injuries

FlipCup · 04-22-2013, 07:45 PM

Hey everyone,

So I am three games into my season as the O's and I received an email staying that Bryce Harper was retiring due to a Torn Labrum suffered during the first game of the year.

So i'm not sure if I should be upset and restart my league or continue on.

Has anyone else had similar situations?

Doc_Brown · 04-22-2013, 07:47 PM

Not wishing that on anyone, but that could happen to a 'star' player at any point in this or any other season.

LGM · 04-22-2013, 07:50 PM

I've seen career ending seasons for minor league scrubs and prospects but never an mlb player. I did have my top prospect retired due to a torn labrum. That sucked. He was an stud catcher who was hitting .375 after 3 months in AA.
Also, you said you are using the O's so I say you continue. But i'm a mets fan and if harper retired 1 day into my game I would continue even if it meant a cubs-esque curse

NYY #23 · 04-22-2013, 07:58 PM

It could happen to anyone, and I've seen it happen to stars as well. It's really just bad luck.

Depending on the league I'm doing I'll sometimes go in and edit the career ending injuries in commissioner mode. If they are over a certain age I'll let it stand, but if they are a younger player I would make it a year and 1/2 to 2 years. They still miss decent time and suffer any penalties that come along with the injury, but they've at least got a shot to come back.

Thundercrack · 04-22-2013, 08:03 PM

Go into commissioner mode and edit him back to health. Too many career enders in the game for my taste.

Raidergoo · 04-22-2013, 08:07 PM

It depends on how much enjoyment from OOTP you will lose if Bryce Harper is gone. If you are troubled by it, just restart. It's your game. Play it your way. If you can handle that sometimes bad things happen to good people, then just keep going.

In Bud Selig's league, Johan Santana had a CEI. Derek Jeter just got word from the trainer that he suffered a relapse, and he'll be out at least eight more weeks. A quick look at the milestone tracker shows A-Rod with 647 HR. But, the guy has a injury proneness of wrecked. Oh, what could have been. Bud used the editor to snoop on Strasburg's injury rating for his arm. It's at 200. Protip: don't sign him to a long-term contract. Bud's tried to use the editor on Mark Prior, because the AI's got it in for Mark. It hasn't worked out well. I think that's more a commentary on Selig, getting outwitted by the omnipotent Dusty Baker.

Sweed · 04-22-2013, 08:30 PM

Well since Raidergoo brought up Mark Prior I'll tell you how things can go the other way too..

My game was started with the 2002 season in v4. Prior came up for my Cubs and never had injury problems finishing with 324 wins. By far the best OOTP pitcher I have ever had in my game. So for every CEI that takes one away there just may be one that never happens.

Hey but 3 games in it's up to you. I've been tempted from time to time to "heal" players but I have never done it. I'd rather look at my league and think "what would he have done if he hadn't been hurt" rather than "ok he's the HR champ but it's only because I intervened".

Again though 3 games in...

If it were me and I wanted Harper I would restart instead of "healing" him with the editor. Maybe that's anal and only three games in there would be no real difference but in the back of my mind it would make me feel better knowing he was never "really" hurt in my game rather than he was "healed".

YMMV

FlipCup · 04-22-2013, 08:33 PM

Thanks for the posts and opinions from everyone.

I think this is one of the things that I love so much about OOTP. How are the Nationals going to contend without their young star? Will they be able to rebuild?

I like it and think I am going to keep it. Maybe more fans will leave that Nats and come be an O's fan

Bobble · 04-22-2013, 08:51 PM

I try to be a Mr. Brightside so when stuff like this happens, I just feel like that sort of extends the games usefulness to me. If I'm looking for reasons to run another 2013 MLB league sometime in the future, I've got one.

I had my best pitching prospect flake out and decide to go play football. Rotten S.O.B....

KJDelaney · 04-22-2013, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Thundercrack

Go into commissioner mode and edit him back to health. Too many career enders in the game for my taste.

agreed

Andriko · 04-22-2013, 09:22 PM

In my game Hanley Ramirez came off the DL, played two games, went back on the DL and 2 months later retired due to the injury. Atleast I don't have to pay for his salary while he is injured, like I am for A Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, Zack Grienke....

FlipCup · 04-22-2013, 09:58 PM

Okay, maybe this is jut completely coincidental...but three games after I posted this about Bryce Harper, Denard Span just announced retirement from the Nationals due to a torn labrum....

FlipCup · 04-22-2013, 10:03 PM

Well my decision has been made, my season crashed (I have yet to save it) for the second time and I will have to restart it all

.

Stupid crashes.

The Game · 04-22-2013, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlipCup

Torn Labrum suffered during the first game of the year.

Isn't Tommy John surgery the result of a Torn Labrum? I have unretired countless players because of this injury.

tejdog1 · 04-22-2013, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Game

Isn't Tommy John surgery the result of a Torn Labrum? I have unretired countless players because of this injury.

No. That's torn/ruptured/whatever adjective you want to use ligaments in your elbow. Commonly called "blowing out his arm".

Torn Labrums are shoulder injuries and about a zillion times worse than Tommy John.

The Game · 04-22-2013, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tejdog1

No. That's torn/ruptured/whatever adjective you want to use ligaments in your elbow. Commonly called "blowing out his arm".

Torn Labrums are shoulder injuries and about a zillion times worse than Tommy John.

I always getthem confued. Torn Labrum is the #1 injury in my league. Right now 11 players are out with a Torn Labrum. 4 retired due to it so far in 2003.

dmacgreg37 · 04-22-2013, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tejdog1

No. That's torn/ruptured/whatever adjective you want to use ligaments in your elbow. Commonly called "blowing out his arm".

Torn Labrums are shoulder injuries and about a zillion times worse than Tommy John.

I think it's the UCL (Ulnar Collateral Ligament) that requires TJ Surgery.

I had Strasburg suffer career ending injury in an OOTP12 league in 2014. I have transferred that save over to OOTP14 and I just had Kolbrinn Vitek (Red Sox 1st rounder a couple years back) who had just made the MLB and had 14 HR in the 2nd half of the 2017 season, forced to retire after going to court and losing a ponzi scheme case. Haha.

tejdog1 · 04-22-2013, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmacgreg37

I think it's the UCL (Ulnar Collateral Ligament) that requires TJ Surgery.

I had Strasburg suffer career ending injury in an OOTP12 league in 2014. I have transferred that save over to OOTP14 and I just had Kolbrinn Vitek (Red Sox 1st rounder a couple years back) who had just made the MLB and had 14 HR in the 2nd half of the 2017 season, forced to retire after going to court and losing a ponzi scheme case. Haha.

That is an AWESOME name.

dmacgreg37 · 04-22-2013, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tejdog1

That is an AWESOME name.

It's a real player. But in real life, he's been a weak prospect for such a high pick thus far.

Kolbrin Vitek Minor League Statistics & History - Baseball-Reference.com

snepp · 04-22-2013, 11:33 PM

I've never liked the way OOTP deals out career ending injuries, it's a bit of an immersion killer. I always end up editing those injuries to be 500 days to simulate extensive rehab and setbacks, as well as handing out what I feel to be appropriate ratings hits. Sometimes their ratings recover and their career goes on, sometimes they don't. When they don't, the players end up retiring on their own, as they should.

04-22-2013, 08:51 PM	#9
Bobble Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: High and outside Posts: 4,033	I try to be a Mr. Brightside so when stuff like this happens, I just feel like that sort of extends the games usefulness to me. If I'm looking for reasons to run another 2013 MLB league sometime in the future, I've got one. I had my best pitching prospect flake out and decide to go play football. Rotten S.O.B.... __________________

04-22-2013, 10:03 PM	#13
FlipCup Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 87	Crashing Well my decision has been made, my season crashed (I have yet to save it) for the second time and I will have to restart it all . Stupid crashes.

04-22-2013, 07:45 PM	#1
FlipCup Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 87	Career Ending Injuries Hey everyone, So I am three games into my season as the O's and I received an email staying that Bryce Harper was retiring due to a Torn Labrum suffered during the first game of the year. So i'm not sure if I should be upset and restart my league or continue on. Has anyone else had similar situations?

04-22-2013, 07:47 PM	#2
Doc_Brown All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,326	Not wishing that on anyone, but that could happen to a 'star' player at any point in this or any other season.

04-22-2013, 07:50 PM	#3
LGM Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 11	I've seen career ending seasons for minor league scrubs and prospects but never an mlb player. I did have my top prospect retired due to a torn labrum. That sucked. He was an stud catcher who was hitting .375 after 3 months in AA. Also, you said you are using the O's so I say you continue. But i'm a mets fan and if harper retired 1 day into my game I would continue even if it meant a cubs-esque curse

04-22-2013, 07:58 PM	#4
NYY #23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 13,112	It could happen to anyone, and I've seen it happen to stars as well. It's really just bad luck. Depending on the league I'm doing I'll sometimes go in and edit the career ending injuries in commissioner mode. If they are over a certain age I'll let it stand, but if they are a younger player I would make it a year and 1/2 to 2 years. They still miss decent time and suffer any penalties that come along with the injury, but they've at least got a shot to come back.

04-22-2013, 08:03 PM	#5
Thundercrack All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 876	Go into commissioner mode and edit him back to health. Too many career enders in the game for my taste.

04-22-2013, 08:07 PM	#6
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	It depends on how much enjoyment from OOTP you will lose if Bryce Harper is gone. If you are troubled by it, just restart. It's your game. Play it your way. If you can handle that sometimes bad things happen to good people, then just keep going. In Bud Selig's league, Johan Santana had a CEI. Derek Jeter just got word from the trainer that he suffered a relapse, and he'll be out at least eight more weeks. A quick look at the milestone tracker shows A-Rod with 647 HR. But, the guy has a injury proneness of wrecked. Oh, what could have been. Bud used the editor to snoop on Strasburg's injury rating for his arm. It's at 200. Protip: don't sign him to a long-term contract. Bud's tried to use the editor on Mark Prior, because the AI's got it in for Mark. It hasn't worked out well. I think that's more a commentary on Selig, getting outwitted by the omnipotent Dusty Baker.

04-22-2013, 08:30 PM	#7
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,019	Well since Raidergoo brought up Mark Prior I'll tell you how things can go the other way too.. My game was started with the 2002 season in v4. Prior came up for my Cubs and never had injury problems finishing with 324 wins. By far the best OOTP pitcher I have ever had in my game. So for every CEI that takes one away there just may be one that never happens. Hey but 3 games in it's up to you. I've been tempted from time to time to "heal" players but I have never done it. I'd rather look at my league and think "what would he have done if he hadn't been hurt" rather than "ok he's the HR champ but it's only because I intervened". Again though 3 games in... If it were me and I wanted Harper I would restart instead of "healing" him with the editor. Maybe that's anal and only three games in there would be no real difference but in the back of my mind it would make me feel better knowing he was never "really" hurt in my game rather than he was "healed". YMMV

04-22-2013, 08:33 PM	#8
FlipCup Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 87	Thanks for the posts and opinions from everyone. I think this is one of the things that I love so much about OOTP. How are the Nationals going to contend without their young star? Will they be able to rebuild? I like it and think I am going to keep it. Maybe more fans will leave that Nats and come be an O's fan

04-22-2013, 09:22 PM	#11
Andriko Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 50	In my game Hanley Ramirez came off the DL, played two games, went back on the DL and 2 months later retired due to the injury. Atleast I don't have to pay for his salary while he is injured, like I am for A Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, Zack Grienke....

04-22-2013, 09:58 PM	#12
FlipCup Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 87	Okay, maybe this is jut completely coincidental...but three games after I posted this about Bryce Harper, Denard Span just announced retirement from the Nationals due to a torn labrum....

04-22-2013, 11:33 PM	#20
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,794	I've never liked the way OOTP deals out career ending injuries, it's a bit of an immersion killer. I always end up editing those injuries to be 500 days to simulate extensive rehab and setbacks, as well as handing out what I feel to be appropriate ratings hits. Sometimes their ratings recover and their career goes on, sometimes they don't. When they don't, the players end up retiring on their own, as they should.