Are there rainouts - or games called because of rain - in OOTP14?

[Probert24]

Guys,

I'm currently playing OOTP 13 - and am soon going to move my season replay over to OOTP 14. One question - it appears that neither rainouts or games called on account of rain (or cold or snow for April games in northern cities) is part of the game (OOTP 13) ... is there any chance that rainouts or games called are in OOTP 14?

Also - a feature which I don't think currently exists but would be REALLY realistic - particularly for seasons/games prior to mid-1988 - for Wrigley Field games that run EXTREMELY long to occasionally be suspended due to darkness. That was a real problem at The Friendly Confines until lights were installed (after how many decades?) ...

Not to mention the REALLY old seasons, prior to lights becoming a standard part of Major League Stadiums.

Just a suggestion!

[rpriske]

I asked that for the last version and the answer was no. Delays but no cancellations.

Apparently it is REALLY hard to program.

[Cras]

like I said in another thread, scheduling is not one of OOTPs strong points, and this would put that to the test. I would rather see no rain outs then see just horrible and ridiculous rescheduling of make up games, split double headers

[Le Grande Orange]

The issue isn't getting the game postponed, it's the rescheduling of the game. For that one needs a good set of rules of how to govern how and when games are rescheduled. That's not so easy. It's also complicated by the fact that the majors and minors have different rescheduling practices (MLB postponed games are most often rescheduled as part of a day-night, separate admission doubleheader or on a common off day, while in the minors it's almost always done as a conventional doubleheader, with each game only lasting 7 innings).

Also, the rate of postponement historically wasn't just based on the weather. Over the years the quality of fields and groundskeeping has improved, as well as changes to various rules which controlled how and when games could be called off and when they could be made up.

I agree with the idea that postponements would be a nice thing to see added, it adds a more dynamic feel to the game world, but getting the feature in and working properly would require some work.

[Cryomaniac]

Games being called early might be easy enough to do, anything involving rescheduling games is unlikely though for reasons mentioned by LGO.

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by Cras

like I said in another thread, scheduling is not one of OOTPs strong points, and this would put that to the test. I would rather see no rain outs then see just horrible and ridiculous rescheduling of make up games, split double headers

I'm with Cras on this. If it's between no rainouts and a poor system to enable it I'd prefer none. The fact is that the lack of rainouts doesn't bother me since for 3 decades I never had to worry about them with the Dome but I can see how it might bother some.

[Le Grande Orange]

I see rescheduling as basically an if-then list, so if this is the situation then reschedule on X date. The tricky part is making sure the list of if-then statements covers all the necessary scenarios. It'd also have to handle differences due to the era (e.g. separate admission day-night doubleheaders are the norm today, but in earlier years it was single admission twilight-night doubleheaders).

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Games being called early might be easy enough to do..

It would be nice to see the occasional game ending early, though this is actually a fairly rare occurrence in the majors if I recall the figures correctly.

[SetonHallPirate]

Also, although this is rare, I remember about ten years back, the Mets and Yankees had a split-park doubleheader, where one team was at home for the day game, and one was at home for the night game, because the only common off day the rest of the year was the day after the Yankees had a night game at Seattle the night before. Good luck replicating that with OOTP. (the old Shea Stadium and the old Yankee Stadium were, what, ten miles apart?)

[Probert24]

Originally Posted by SetonHallPirate

Also, although this is rare, I remember about ten years back, the Mets and Yankees had a split-park doubleheader, where one team was at home for the day game, and one was at home for the night game, because the only common off day the rest of the year was the day after the Yankees had a night game at Seattle the night before. Good luck replicating that with OOTP. (the old Shea Stadium and the old Yankee Stadium were, what, ten miles apart?)

I believe it's happened here in Chicago as well during interleague play - typically the White Sox go north to Wrigley for 3 games and a few weeks later, the Cubs come south for 3 games (or vice versa) -- I seem to recall one year tho - an afternoon game between the clubs was I think on the North Side - with the evening game on the South Side. Only happened once - but a neat idea.

[Probert24]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The issue isn't getting the game postponed, it's the rescheduling of the game. For that one needs a good set of rules of how to govern how and when games are rescheduled. That's not so easy. It's also complicated by the fact that the majors and minors have different rescheduling practices (MLB postponed games are most often rescheduled as part of a day-night, separate admission doubleheader or on a common off day, while in the minors it's almost always done as a conventional doubleheader, with each game only lasting 7 innings).

Also, the rate of postponement historically wasn't just based on the weather. Over the years the quality of fields and groundskeeping has improved, as well as changes to various rules which controlled how and when games could be called off and when they could be made up.

I agree with the idea that postponements would be a nice thing to see added, it adds a more dynamic feel to the game world, but getting the feature in and working properly would require some work.

Yep - I can see where that would be a real headache from a programming perspective. Much as I'd like to see postponed games or games call on account of rain (something I LOVED in some of the old table-top baseball games) - I would agree - far better not to include it if it's going to blow up the game trying to 'force' a rescheduling.

Still - the programmers/developers are pretty sharp guys - who knows, maybe down the road they'll come up with a way to include it!

[BoofBonser26]

Originally Posted by Probert24

Still - the programmers/developers are pretty sharp guys - who knows, maybe down the road they'll come up with a way to include it!

It's my hope that this feature will follow in the footsteps of minor league DLs - something we were told was way too complicated from a coding standpoint for multiple versions, and then, one day: there it is in the feature list!

[Probert24]

Originally Posted by BoofBonser26

It's my hope that this feature will follow in the footsteps of minor league DLs - something we were told was way too complicated from a coding standpoint for multiple versions, and then, one day: there it is in the feature list!

i second that opinion!! Let's hope!

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by SetonHallPirate

Also, although this is rare, I remember about ten years back, the Mets and Yankees had a split-park doubleheader, where one team was at home for the day game, and one was at home for the night game, because the only common off day the rest of the year was the day after the Yankees had a night game at Seattle the night before. Good luck replicating that with OOTP. (the old Shea Stadium and the old Yankee Stadium were, what, ten miles apart?)

Yeah, that is perhaps asking too much.

There have also been a few cases where a game has been made up in the other club's park but the original visiting team still has to bat first. That is, A at B is postponed. There are no more suitable dates to play in A, so the game is made up in B's park, in other words, B at A. But instead of B batting first, A bats first, even though the game is taking place in its own park. That is a recent development.

There's also the change that happened starting in 1952, I think it was, regarding when postponed games having a bearing on the pennant race could be rescheduled. Originally, if a postponed game couldn't be made up before the scheduled end of the season, it wasn't made up at all. That meant, for example, if two clubs heading into the final day of the season were tied, and one played and lost and the other was rained out, the club that was rained out would win the pennant by a half-game. The rule change allowed a postponed ame to be played after the scheduled end of the season if it might help decide the pennant.

[Bowtie]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I see rescheduling as basically an if-then list, so if this is the situation then reschedule on X date. The tricky part is making sure the list of if-then statements covers all the necessary scenarios. It'd also have to handle differences due to the era (e.g. separate admission day-night doubleheaders are the norm today, but in earlier years it was single admission twilight-night doubleheaders).

For those of you too young to remember, I can recall the time that LGO spoke of. Back in the 1980's, a doubleheader was played back-to-back. They played one game then the players would go into the clubhouse and change uni's and get something like a 30 minute or so break then it was right back out there for game 2. Paying fans got to see 2 games for the price of one.

[Bowtie]

Yeah, these new stadiums have such state-of-the-art drainage systems that rainouts are a lot fewer and farther apart then they used to be. Heck, how many MLB parks have a Zamboni machine? Maybe just the few domed parks?

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Bowtie

For those of you too young to remember, I can recall the time that LGO spoke of. Back in the 1980's, a doubleheader was played back-to-back. They played one game then the players would go into the clubhouse and change uni's and get something like a 30 minute or so break then it was right back out there for game 2. Paying fans got to see 2 games for the price of one.

Not many of those two-for-one deals in the majors anymore, though they are still common in the minors (but as two 7-inning games).

Back in 2011, there were 51 postponements (of which two were make up games). Of those, 24 were made up as part of a day-night doubleheader, 15 as single games on a common off day, and 11 as part of a regular doubleheader (1 game was not made up).

[SetonHallPirate]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Yeah, that is perhaps asking too much.

There have also been a few cases where a game has been made up in the other club's park but the original visiting team still has to bat first. That is, A at B is postponed. There are no more suitable dates to play in A, so the game is made up in B's park, in other words, B at A. But instead of B batting first, A bats first, even though the game is taking place in its own park. That is a recent development.

There's also the change that happened starting in 1952, I think it was, regarding when postponed games having a bearing on the pennant race could be rescheduled. Originally, if a postponed game couldn't be made up before the scheduled end of the season, it wasn't made up at all. That meant, for example, if two clubs heading into the final day of the season were tied, and one played and lost and the other was rained out, the club that was rained out would win the pennant by a half-game. The rule change allowed a postponed ame to be played after the scheduled end of the season if it might help decide the pennant.

BTW, split-park doubleheaders have happened with four times in the history of baseball, with all being in New York:

September 7, 1903: Brooklyn Superbas vs. New York Giants, first game at Washington Park, second at Polo Grounds

All of the remaining three are Mets vs. Yankees:

July 8, 2000: First game at Shea, second at original Yankee
June 28, 2003: First game at original Yankee, second at Shea
June 27, 2008: First game at original Yankee, second at Shea

BTW, interestingly, and LGO might be interested in this, on September 25, 2000, the Indians hosted a game against the White Sox during the day and another against the Twins at night (beating the White Sox, losing to the Twins)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubleheader_(baseball)