Please Fix this

[Honorable_Pawn]

Why is this player protected on the 40-man roster?








Is it because of these ratings?







Maybe he was a scout find at like 12 years old and all of his professional time is up. Maybe he is rule 5 eligible:






Nope. What the heck! One option left! One!!!! Yet, no big-league service time. Maybe it was because of some trade or something. Yeah...Let's look there shall we:






Oh, I see. Make him your #1 pick out of HS, spend $6.4mm to sign him to a minor league contract. Put him on your 40 for some stupid God unknown reason so that he gets paid a ML contract instead of 5 seasons for free before he is rule 5 eligible. Watch him tear it up in Rookie then waive him because you signed some scrub free-agent and there was no room on the 40.

Would it be so hard to have a simple...if then?


Really. Please fix.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Let x=Everday ML Starter Material. Not a fringe Starter but an actual starter.

If it is too difficult to code what is a starter then do this: Let a starter (for the sake of this situation) require the following condition: The sum of Contact, Gap, Power, Eye, and Avoid must be >65 and 4 of the 5 must be 12 or higher indiviually. ***Or some combo...something***





Ok, X is defined as a starter.




If player STAR is not eligible for rule-5 then do not put on 40.
Unless player STAR current ratings =x.






If player STAR current ratings = x and player STAR is on 40 then do not waive player STAR if player STAR potential ratings >= player Joe Blow potential ratings. Instead waive player Joe Blow.


For I = 1 to 40
for R:=1:N while A(R) > 0 do
xxxxxxxx
Next I

Find different player to fill gap in roster. If no player exists then trade, cut release, whatever, but don't waive your stud #1 pick when he shouldn't have been on the 40 to begin with.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Sorry.




I'm disturbed by this.

[BigbyWolf]

You are correct. This may be my only real problem with the game. I usually try to undue stuff like this where I can on other teams.

Very frustrating.

[snepp]

This one drives me nuts.

[The Wolf]

Good catch and good point, HP.

Markus, please fix this in 14.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by BigbyWolf

You are correct. This may be my only real problem with the game. I usually try to undue stuff like this where I can on other teams.

Very frustrating.

I agree. This is currently the biggest glaring "monster-problem" that the game has.


And I'm glad you said that you would undo this transaction this because I was going to ask what everyone thought I should do.

But, you answered it. I hope I can clean up the history log too. I'm thinking I should give him all 3 options, clear all 40 time, and put on $0 minor league contract.


When I play, I play out one game of every series. Before the series starts I click on each hyperlink in the "upcoming opponent" email from my scout. (I'ts good for learning all the players in the league--immersion). The very first link is the oppponents team page. I'll review it for a few minutes same as with all the other links in that email.

What caught my attention was Bubba Brwon in the top prospects section. I passed on him in the last draft when I really wanted to select him. He was one of the top guys that I always rename.

It looks like I'm going to have to keep a closer eye on this and manually fix each instance for the sake of league integrity. I'll post each and every instance that I find here. I'll also have to check the waiver wire everyday and correct these before they happen. I should be checking that everyday anyhow so shame on me for missing this in the first place.

I ask all of you to also post here if you have seen this problem. Let's work togther and get this noticed. It's a biggie.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Good catch and good point, HP.

Markus, please fix this in 14.

Congratulations!!!

Where's my Cigar?


I didn't know that you had a baby-wolf???

[Honorable_Pawn]

Thought I'd share. I was able to reverse the entire transaction and, most importantly, this can be erased in the player history.

I am going to be very diligent in preventing this going forward. I wish I didn't have to.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

Congratulations!!!

Where's my Cigar?


I didn't know that you had a baby-wolf???

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A good cousin.

[SandMan]

It almost looks like this player went to Spring Training for two seasons. He must be on the 40-man to go to ST and he must use an option to get sent back to the minor leagues at the end of ST. If this was the case then it is not an error in the program but the GM not understanding the rule when a player goes to ST.

[RchW]

Do you have roster limits at the lowest minor league level?


Correct my math if it's faulty but how did he use an option in 1947? He clearly used an option in 1948. Did putting him on waivers in 1947 do it? Biloxi would have had to keep him on the (active?) 40-man roster based on the date of the claim.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by SandMan

It almost looks like this player went to Spring Training for two seasons. He must be on the 40-man to go to ST and he must use an option to get sent back to the minor leagues at the end of ST. If this was the case then it is not an error in the program but the GM not understanding the rule when a player goes to ST.

He can't have gone to ST twice. Drafted in June 1947 and it's now April 1948.

[snepp]

Originally Posted by SandMan

It almost looks like this player went to Spring Training for two seasons. He must be on the 40-man to go to ST and he must use an option to get sent back to the minor leagues at the end of ST. If this was the case then it is not an error in the program but the GM not understanding the rule when a player goes to ST.

Spring training doesn't have anything to do with this particular problem.

These players are getting placed on the 40-man roster immediately upon signing with the team that drafted them, despite being given a minor league contract and possessing rookie-league level current ratings. This inevitably leads to them being waived at some point to get them off the 40 and lost to another team.

[RchW]

It's like the AI thinks they have a Major League contract. That does happen IRL but with non-drafted amateur FA.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by RchW

Do you have roster limits at the lowest minor league level?


Correct my math if it's faulty but how did he use an option in 1947? He clearly used an option in 1948. Did putting him on waivers in 1947 do it? Biloxi would have had to keep him on the (active?) 40-man roster based on the date of the claim.

ML 25
AAA 30
AA 30
A 30
SA 35
R 40

I have no idea. I am currently in April of 1948 so that explains why there is no rookie stats in 1948 yet. Option used in 1947 and 1948 leaves 1.

[snepp]

Originally Posted by RchW

It's like the AI thinks they have a Major League contract.

Exactly. It seems like something is happening with the advanced draftee signing that's causing the teams to immediately place them on the 40 as though they received a major league deal.

[PSUColonel]

Is this an isolated occurrence, or is it commonplace? I just checked some of the draftees from my latest draft, but could not find an instance such as this.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Is this an isolated occurrence, or is it commonplace? I just checked some of the draftees from my latest draft, but could not find an instance such as this.

I checked all of my 1st round picks in 1947 and this appears to be isolated. I don't want to dig through old back-ups so I'll just post here if I continue to find this problem.

I will check the waiver wire everyday for now on and self correct this before it happens.

[BigbyWolf]

The issue is that the AI should be protecting first round talent in the draft. There is no benefit to putting this player on the 40 until the AI intends to use him at the big league level. That spot should be used to protect someone else who has more time in.