trading injured players

PSUColonel · 02-15-2012, 05:58 PM

Should this ban be lifted? I would however encourage a parameter which would have the AI not trade for serious or long term injured players.

Pacoheadley · 02-15-2012, 10:12 PM

I think trading players who only have day-to-day injuries should be allowed, at the very least, as I don't think someone having a bruised hand would fail them a physical.

PSUColonel · 02-16-2012, 05:02 AM

perhaps the rule should that any player on the disabled list cannot be involved in a trade? Definitely a clear and definable parameter.

BusterKing · 07-30-2012, 06:31 PM

So why is it that OOTP is not allowing trades with players on the disable list?

Check with real life MLB:

"The Astros are telling teams they're open to more trades, Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com reports (on Twitter). Even Jed Lowrie, who has been on the disabled list with a sprained ankle for the past two weeks, is available."

Link: NL Central Notes: Lowrie, Brewers, Cardinals: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

Markus, please fix this.

Pacoheadley · 07-30-2012, 06:57 PM

I'm guessing it is very hard to code the AI to properly value a player who is injured for a good period of time. However, any injury under two weeks should still be allowed...

RchW · 07-30-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacoheadley

I'm guessing it is very hard to code the AI to properly value a player who is injured for a good period of time. However, any injury under two weeks should still be allowed...

This makes sense.

Edit, I agree that we should be able to trade injured players, under some logical guidelines.

There is a tangential issue to this that is an easy exploit for human players. Injured free agents attract no offers. It's easy to offer 30%-50% of their demand late into the preseason and get a real bargain.

Both issues should be fixed.

eternal · 07-30-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

This makes sense.

Edit, I agree that we should be able to trade injured players, under some logical guidelines.

There is a tangential issue to this that is an easy exploit for human players. Injured free agents attract no offers. It's easy to offer 30%-50% of their demand late into the preseason and get a real bargain.

Both issues should be fixed.

This is a bit different but it seems to me the AI won't (or can't?) protect (or pick) injured prospects from the rule 5 draft. I've picked up two 4-star potential guys in back to back years who were close to MLB ready and able to legitimately make my 25-man and contribute (one as a platoon OF and one as a swingman). Both were healthy in time for spring training.

RchW · 07-30-2012, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by eternal

This is a bit different but it seems to me the AI won't (or can't?) protect (or pick) injured prospects from the rule 5 draft. I've picked up two 4-star potential guys in back to back years who were close to MLB ready and able to legitimately make my 25-man and contribute (one as a platoon OF and one as a swingman). Both were healthy in time for spring training.

What league type do you refer to above? Any player on the 60-day DL is off the 40-man roster and eligible to be picked. I'm not sure that the AI is able to recognize that the DL is unnecessary in the off season. That being said, in fictional leagues there are few to no problems in Rule 5.

RchW · 07-30-2012, 08:38 PM

nm duplicate post

eternal · 07-30-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

What league type do you refer to above? Any player on the 60-day DL is off the 40-man roster and eligible to be picked. I'm not sure that the AI is able to recognize that the DL is unnecessary in the off season. That being said, in fictional leagues there are few to no problems in Rule 5.

You're right; I realized it after making the post, but couldn't delete it.

endgame · 07-30-2012, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacoheadley

I think trading players who only have day-to-day injuries should be allowed, at the very least, as I don't think someone having a bruised hand would fail them a physical.

This is already available in v13.

termcl · 08-02-2012, 01:24 AM

Just had this happen in my league. MR Renyel Pinto on the DL, fully recovered but one more week to sit before DL time expires. At the trade deadline I was able to package him in a trade to Philly for a backup outfielder. Everything seemed fine. The next day I checked the Philly box score to see how the other player in the trade performed and saw Pinto threw an inning in relief.

He still had a week of DL time when I traded him. Does the DL status not transfer from team to team?

termcl · 08-12-2012, 02:04 PM

Is this a bug or am I incorrect in thinking disabled list status should stay the same regardless of player transactions. With a week left on the DL when he was traded, he should still show a week left on the DL with Philadelphia, right?

TGH-Adfabre · 08-12-2012, 02:16 PM

I have no clue but...

endgame · 08-12-2012, 02:50 PM

I'd have to do a little footwork on official rules (LGO?), but my recollection, as goes the game, is that if a player is healed, the trade precludes any DL status as it becomes a team-specific status and roster related. So, it does not become the responsibility of the team inheriting the player to maintain a roster-status established by the original team.

Doc_Brown · 08-12-2012, 02:57 PM

I maybe wrong, but I thought after the season finished there was no more D/L until the next season. So for example the Texas Rangers would have to put Nelson Cruz back on the 40 man roster or risk losing him in the rule 5 draft.

endgame · 08-12-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc_Brown

I maybe wrong, but I thought after the season finished there was no more D/L until the next season. So for example the Texas Rangers would have to put Nelson Cruz back on the 40 man roster or risk losing him in the rule 5 draft.

IIRC, that's the way it should work and does in RL, but I don't think the game follows that event sequence. I'll have to review the conversations, but I think that's been one of the transactions issues advocated to be added to the game.

joeyjojojrshabadoo · 08-12-2012, 07:16 PM

In my online league i made it a rule that you can't trade anyone on the 60 day DL or more than 14 days left on the DL.

Pacoheadley · 08-13-2012, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by endgame

This is already available in v13.

Posted that back in February

02-15-2012, 05:58 PM	#1
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08-02-2012, 01:24 AM	#12
termcl Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 121	Disabled List Status not transferred in trade Just had this happen in my league. MR Renyel Pinto on the DL, fully recovered but one more week to sit before DL time expires. At the trade deadline I was able to package him in a trade to Philly for a backup outfielder. Everything seemed fine. The next day I checked the Philly box score to see how the other player in the trade performed and saw Pinto threw an inning in relief. He still had a week of DL time when I traded him. Does the DL status not transfer from team to team?

08-12-2012, 02:16 PM	#14
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08-12-2012, 02:50 PM	#15
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	I'd have to do a little footwork on official rules (LGO?), but my recollection, as goes the game, is that if a player is healed, the trade precludes any DL status as it becomes a team-specific status and roster related. So, it does not become the responsibility of the team inheriting the player to maintain a roster-status established by the original team. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

02-15-2012, 10:12 PM	#2
Pacoheadley All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Kincheloe, MI Posts: 521	I think trading players who only have day-to-day injuries should be allowed, at the very least, as I don't think someone having a bruised hand would fail them a physical.

02-16-2012, 05:02 AM	#3
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,139	perhaps the rule should that any player on the disabled list cannot be involved in a trade? Definitely a clear and definable parameter.

07-30-2012, 06:31 PM	#4
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,433	So why is it that OOTP is not allowing trades with players on the disable list? Check with real life MLB: "The Astros are telling teams they're open to more trades, Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com reports (on Twitter). Even Jed Lowrie, who has been on the disabled list with a sprained ankle for the past two weeks, is available." Link: NL Central Notes: Lowrie, Brewers, Cardinals: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com Markus, please fix this.

07-30-2012, 06:57 PM	#5
Pacoheadley All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Kincheloe, MI Posts: 521	I'm guessing it is very hard to code the AI to properly value a player who is injured for a good period of time. However, any injury under two weeks should still be allowed...

08-12-2012, 02:04 PM	#13
termcl Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 121	Is this a bug or am I incorrect in thinking disabled list status should stay the same regardless of player transactions. With a week left on the DL when he was traded, he should still show a week left on the DL with Philadelphia, right?

08-12-2012, 02:57 PM	#16
Doc_Brown All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,326	I maybe wrong, but I thought after the season finished there was no more D/L until the next season. So for example the Texas Rangers would have to put Nelson Cruz back on the 40 man roster or risk losing him in the rule 5 draft.

08-12-2012, 07:16 PM	#18
joeyjojojrshabadoo Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 193	In my online league i made it a rule that you can't trade anyone on the 60 day DL or more than 14 days left on the DL.