When do I click "expand league?"

Mike Lowe · 07-27-2012, 10:17 AM

I don't want to mess up the league history to have the teams exist in the most recent season...I just finished the World Series.

When should I add the teams and realign divisions?

Mike Lowe · 07-27-2012, 12:15 PM

Anybody?

Mike Lowe · 07-27-2012, 12:16 PM

Oh, and what about when to actually make league rules changes and such? Jan 1st? I want to increase minimum salary each year and also some other changes without it affecting league history or transactions moving forward.

Pacoheadley · 07-27-2012, 01:43 PM

I expanded my league a few days into free agency, and everything seemed fine for me.

awick · 07-27-2012, 02:51 PM

I've expanded with good results, immediately after the World Series at the beginning of the off-season. The same for rule changes. I make them the first day of the off-season.

bwburke94 · 07-27-2012, 06:32 PM

Start of the preseason to not mess with league history. Rules changes Jan 1st.

Mike Lowe · 07-27-2012, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

Start of the preseason to not mess with league history. Rules changes Jan 1st.

Is the start of the preseason right after I sim game 7 of the World Series?

ohms_law · 07-27-2012, 07:46 PM

No. It says when the start of the preseason is in the schedule... somewhere.
How does expanding a league earlier "mess with league history" though?

bwburke94 · 07-27-2012, 08:10 PM

It lists the expansion teams as having finished 0-0 and in whatever place a .500 record would have finished.

ohms_law · 07-27-2012, 08:23 PM

Gotcha. Thanks.

Mike Lowe · 07-28-2012, 12:18 AM

So how does an expansion team participate in the offseason if theyre added during the preseason for things like free agency?

The Game · 07-28-2012, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Lowe

So how does an expansion team participate in the offseason if theyre added during the preseason for things like free agency?

They would miss out on all the top notch FA's. I add my teams the 1st day on Free Agents filing, but I do this for a few reasons that may be different for other people. 1. To clear teh fA's from teh protection lists and 2. Because I manually resign some FA in my main league back to their teams
I use different financials in my main league for MLB, *** ABL and my 2 soon to be 4 fictional levels, So players in my main league ask for 20 million a yr when no player makes more then 1.5 million.
In other leagues I tend to add them also the 1st day of Free Agency so the soon to be FA's are not protected. Only problem I have seen with this is that the Rule V players that the new teams take may go to a new team.

Mike Lowe · 07-29-2012, 10:50 AM

Thanks for the info guys.

What I'm noticing now, and this is I believe regardless of when I expand, my expansion teams turn up in the history index page as having a 0-0 record from the years 1871-2012.

Is there a way to fix this? So far this seems to be the only glitchy thing I'm noticing...

HOWEVER, where else MIGHT some abnormalities turn up? I don't want my expansion teams turning up in the 2012 season history, but I'm also not sure where to check for this one way or another.

The Game · 07-29-2012, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Lowe

Thanks for the info guys.

What I'm noticing now, and this is I believe regardless of when I expand, my expansion teams turn up in the history index page as having a 0-0 record from the years 1871-2012.

Is there a way to fix this? So far this seems to be the only glitchy thing I'm noticing...

HOWEVER, where else MIGHT some abnormalities turn up? I don't want my expansion teams turning up in the 2012 season history, but I'm also not sure where to check for this one way or another.

What year did you do expansion?
The Chicago White Sox show up in 1882 vs 1900 in OOTP and it shows history to 1882 not 1871.
I checked my other league where I do expansion often and as far as their team history it all shows from their 1st yr.

Mike Lowe · 07-29-2012, 12:51 PM

This is an expansion for 2013...after first MLB season.

The Game · 07-29-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Lowe

This is an expansion for 2013...after first MLB season.

Where does it show the 2013 expansion teams history goes back to 1871?

Mike Lowe · 07-29-2012, 01:00 PM

League history index page mentioned in my post earlier this mornimg.

The Game · 07-29-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Lowe

League history index page mentioned in my post earlier this mornimg.

I don't see what you mean. I would have to see a screenshot. To do a screenshot, download Irfanview (it's free) from download.com/Cnet.com and once you have it installed open to the page in OOTP that you are talking about and hit print screen and then open Irfanview and hit ctrl-V and then save it and upload it using manage attachments. I think you may be able to use Windows Paint, but I have never tried.

Mike Lowe · 07-29-2012, 01:44 PM

I restored to a backup already...it's just that screen from the MLB drop down: History/Index and it shows all of the teams including my post-2012 expansion teams as having existed since 1887 or whatever it was with a 0-0 record.

Anyway, I'm still curious as to where else some little weird blips might show up from expanding too early.

I'd like to get these teams in before free agency, but also like you and others have mentioned, after free agents have filed so that they aren't protected.

I tried 25 guys protected for each team and with players with less than 3 years experience protected as well, this seem too many players were being protected.

Thoughts on all this? Thanks for the feedback.

Mike Lowe · 07-29-2012, 04:56 PM

I tried expanding on January 1st and I don't like it. Expansion teams miss out on free agency, coach signings, etc. Also, you can see the same "issue" I mentioned above about 1871 in this shot:

I almost think it might just literally be telling me that since 1871, this team is 0-0...which technically is correct, but it looks odd?!

07-27-2012, 10:17 AM	#1
Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,178	When do I click "expand league?" I don't want to mess up the league history to have the teams exist in the most recent season...I just finished the World Series. When should I add the teams and realign divisions?

07-27-2012, 02:51 PM	#5
awick Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Lansing, NY Posts: 313	I've expanded with good results, immediately after the World Series at the beginning of the off-season. The same for rule changes. I make them the first day of the off-season. Last edited by awick; 07-27-2012 at 02:52 PM. Reason: to add comments

07-27-2012, 07:46 PM	#8
ohms_law Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 232	No. It says when the start of the preseason is in the schedule... somewhere. How does expanding a league earlier "mess with league history" though? __________________ You insist that there is something a machine cannot do. If you will tell me precisely what it is that a machine cannot do, then I can always make a machine which will do just that! -J. von Neumann Last edited by ohms_law; 07-27-2012 at 07:47 PM.

07-27-2012, 08:23 PM	#10
ohms_law Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 232	Gotcha. Thanks. __________________ You insist that there is something a machine cannot do. If you will tell me precisely what it is that a machine cannot do, then I can always make a machine which will do just that! -J. von Neumann

07-27-2012, 12:15 PM	#2
Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,178	Anybody?

07-27-2012, 12:16 PM	#3
Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,178	Oh, and what about when to actually make league rules changes and such? Jan 1st? I want to increase minimum salary each year and also some other changes without it affecting league history or transactions moving forward.

07-27-2012, 01:43 PM	#4
Pacoheadley All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Kincheloe, MI Posts: 521	I expanded my league a few days into free agency, and everything seemed fine for me.

07-27-2012, 06:32 PM	#6
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,522	Start of the preseason to not mess with league history. Rules changes Jan 1st.

07-27-2012, 08:10 PM	#9
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,522	It lists the expansion teams as having finished 0-0 and in whatever place a .500 record would have finished.

07-28-2012, 12:18 AM	#11
Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,178	So how does an expansion team participate in the offseason if theyre added during the preseason for things like free agency?

07-29-2012, 10:50 AM	#13
Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,178	Thanks for the info guys. What I'm noticing now, and this is I believe regardless of when I expand, my expansion teams turn up in the history index page as having a 0-0 record from the years 1871-2012. Is there a way to fix this? So far this seems to be the only glitchy thing I'm noticing... HOWEVER, where else MIGHT some abnormalities turn up? I don't want my expansion teams turning up in the 2012 season history, but I'm also not sure where to check for this one way or another.

07-29-2012, 12:51 PM	#15
Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,178	This is an expansion for 2013...after first MLB season.

07-29-2012, 01:00 PM	#17
Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,178	League history index page mentioned in my post earlier this mornimg.

07-29-2012, 01:44 PM	#19
Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,178	I restored to a backup already...it's just that screen from the MLB drop down: History/Index and it shows all of the teams including my post-2012 expansion teams as having existed since 1887 or whatever it was with a 0-0 record. Anyway, I'm still curious as to where else some little weird blips might show up from expanding too early. I'd like to get these teams in before free agency, but also like you and others have mentioned, after free agents have filed so that they aren't protected. I tried 25 guys protected for each team and with players with less than 3 years experience protected as well, this seem too many players were being protected. Thoughts on all this? Thanks for the feedback.

07-29-2012, 04:56 PM	#20
Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,178	I tried expanding on January 1st and I don't like it. Expansion teams miss out on free agency, coach signings, etc. Also, you can see the same "issue" I mentioned above about 1871 in this shot: I almost think it might just literally be telling me that since 1871, this team is 0-0...which technically is correct, but it looks odd?!