AI Manager Fail (w/ pics)

Cruzatte · 05-05-2012, 11:21 AM

I simulated this game 10 minutes ago:

So, you're up by 13 runs going into the bottom of the 8th, and your pitcher has a no-no going. He gets two easy outs. Then he gives up a walk, and the AI yanks him.

Goodness gracious.

(No pitch count, no crazy manager preferences.)

Groucho Marx · 05-05-2012, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruzatte

I simulated this game 10 minutes ago:

So, you're up by 13 runs going into the bottom of the 8th, and your pitcher has a no-no going. He gets two easy outs. Then he gives up a walk, and the AI yanks him.

Goodness gracious.

(No pitch count, no crazy manager preferences.)

This is why I won't sim. Or, I should say one of the reasons why.

I play every game.

TNCubsFan · 05-05-2012, 11:59 AM

When a guy is out of gas, hes out of gas.

Kudos to the skipper who is keeping his eye on the prize of winning the last game of the season and not getting wrapped up in worthless personal glory stats that do nothing toward achieving season long wins.

OldFatGuy · 05-05-2012, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TNCubsFan

When a guy is out of gas, hes out of gas.

Kudos to the skipper who is keeping his eye on the prize of winning the last game of the season and not getting wrapped up in worthless personal glory stats that do nothing toward achieving season long wins.

Edited out - Post Fail.

Charlie Hough · 05-05-2012, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TNCubsFan

When a guy is out of gas, hes out of gas.

Kudos to the skipper who is keeping his eye on the prize of winning the last game of the season and not getting wrapped up in worthless personal glory stats that do nothing
toward achieving season long wins.

Sorry, but this would NEVER happen in real life. There has not been one instance of this in the entire history of Major League Baseball and never will be. If a manager attempted this in a game, I would lay money on a physical fight breaking out between the pitcher and manager. Teammates probably wouldn't stand for it either.

cblacker · 05-05-2012, 12:06 PM

This happened with the Twins a couple of years ago. No hitter going and a comfortable lead, but Gardenhire pulled the pitcher anyway so as not to run up his pitch count.

OldFatGuy · 05-05-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cblacker

This happened with the Twins a couple of years ago. No hitter going and a comfortable lead, but Gardenhire pulled the pitcher anyway so as not to run up his pitch count.

I bet he had more than 4 outs to get.

Groucho Marx · 05-05-2012, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Sorry, but this would NEVER happen in real life. There has not been one instance of this in the entire history of Major League Baseball and never will be. If a manager attempted this in a game, I would lay money on a physical fight breaking out between the pitcher and manager. Teammates probably wouldn't stand for it either.

^^^^ This.

cblacker · 05-05-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

I bet he had more than 4 outs to get.

If I remember, it was around the 7th inning and he had recently come off the DL, so there were some extenuating circumstances, but it's not unprecedented.

Mntwins · 05-05-2012, 12:13 PM

Maybe he volunteered because he couldn't handle the pressure.

cblacker · 05-05-2012, 12:15 PM

So I was wrong about the "comfortable lead" part - the Twins were up 1-0, but he had 6 outs to go and had thrown 106 pitches.

Kevin Slowey removed from no-hitter - Stats & Info Blog - ESPN

OldFatGuy · 05-05-2012, 12:22 PM

This is as bad as the Washington Nationals stupidity to shut down Strasburg no matter what after 160 IP. Never mind that there's no study, no data, no anything that shows that's absolutely the right thing to do. And nevermind that maybe, just MAYBE, the Washington Nationals will be in a real playoff run for the first time in THEIR HISTORY (in DC, Montreal made the playoffs before).

Tommy John threw over 200 innings when he came back from Tommy John surgery. And threw over 200 6 out of the next 7 after that.

But, obviously, human arms started being made differently somewhere between the late 1980's and today.

And Strasburg is YOUNG. Ask any doctor. Guess who comes back from injuries FASTER, someone 23 or someone 33. LOL, not even close.

Pitchers are babied today and more of them spend more time ont he DL than they did back when they were probably legititimately abused.

ImTheCrew · 05-05-2012, 12:32 PM

Look up some facts people, there was a pitcher pulled from a no hitter after 8.2 innings irl.

The Wolf · 05-05-2012, 12:50 PM

Ole Miss recently pulled a guy who was throwing a perfect game. Pitch count and all that.

One of the Mets fans online says that the Mets have pulled a total of FOURTEEN pitchers who had a no-hitter going.

pstrickert · 05-05-2012, 12:55 PM

On the surface, this makes no sense, pulling the pitcher. I can't imagine this is how the AI is supposed to work. Either there is an extenuating circumstance the OP is not aware of, or Markus needs to check the code.

The Wolf · 05-05-2012, 01:03 PM

Preston Gomez had two different pitchers in two different games with two different teams pinch hit for when each had pitched eight innings of no-hit ball. Ouch!

RchW · 05-05-2012, 01:46 PM

BBRef gives this list.

Note 2 of the games are 8-inning no-hit losses

pstrickert · 05-05-2012, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruzatte

I simulated this game 10 minutes ago:

So, you're up by 13 runs going into the bottom of the 8th, and your pitcher has a no-no going. He gets two easy outs. Then he gives up a walk, and the AI yanks him.

Goodness gracious.

(No pitch count, no crazy manager preferences.)

I filed a bug report. I don't think Markus will need your league files, but (just in case) I wonder if you could make backup copies of the .dat files. I'll let you know if Markus wants to see them.

pstrickert · 05-05-2012, 02:02 PM

Just curious: Who is E. Cabrera?

Cruzatte · 05-05-2012, 02:28 PM

But once you have 7.2IP, the list becomes this:

1. Young stayed in for the no-hit CG loss.

2. Hawkins stayed in for the no-hit CG loss.

3. Wilson was losing and was pinch-hit for. (As Wolf noted--nice trivia knowledge.)

4. Kirby was losing and was pinch-hit for. (Ditto.)

5. Barber walked 3 and had a wild pitch in the 9th, and was losing.

6. Frankhouse's game was called during the 8th.

05-05-2012, 11:21 AM	#1
Cruzatte Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: North Coast Posts: 31	AI Manager Fail (w/ pics) I simulated this game 10 minutes ago: So, you're up by 13 runs going into the bottom of the 8th, and your pitcher has a no-no going. He gets two easy outs. Then he gives up a walk, and the AI yanks him. Goodness gracious. (No pitch count, no crazy manager preferences.)

05-05-2012, 11:59 AM	#3
TNCubsFan Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 300	When a guy is out of gas, hes out of gas. Kudos to the skipper who is keeping his eye on the prize of winning the last game of the season and not getting wrapped up in worthless personal glory stats that do nothing toward achieving season long wins. __________________ "If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out" George Brett HOF

05-05-2012, 12:22 PM	#12
OldFatGuy All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern Va., Loudoun County Posts: 1,896	This is as bad as the Washington Nationals stupidity to shut down Strasburg no matter what after 160 IP. Never mind that there's no study, no data, no anything that shows that's absolutely the right thing to do. And nevermind that maybe, just MAYBE, the Washington Nationals will be in a real playoff run for the first time in THEIR HISTORY (in DC, Montreal made the playoffs before). Tommy John threw over 200 innings when he came back from Tommy John surgery. And threw over 200 6 out of the next 7 after that. But, obviously, human arms started being made differently somewhere between the late 1980's and today. And Strasburg is YOUNG. Ask any doctor. Guess who comes back from injuries FASTER, someone 23 or someone 33. LOL, not even close. Pitchers are babied today and more of them spend more time ont he DL than they did back when they were probably legititimately abused. __________________ I believed in drug testing a long time ago. In the 60's I tested everything. - Bill Lee

05-05-2012, 01:46 PM	#17
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	BBRef gives this list. Note 2 of the games are 8-inning no-hit losses Attached Images __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

05-05-2012, 02:28 PM	#20
Cruzatte Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: North Coast Posts: 31	But once you have 7.2IP, the list becomes this: 1. Young stayed in for the no-hit CG loss. 2. Hawkins stayed in for the no-hit CG loss. 3. Wilson was losing and was pinch-hit for. (As Wolf noted--nice trivia knowledge.) 4. Kirby was losing and was pinch-hit for. (Ditto.) 5. Barber walked 3 and had a wild pitch in the 9th, and was losing. 6. Frankhouse's game was called during the 8th. Last edited by Cruzatte; 05-05-2012 at 02:39 PM.

05-05-2012, 12:06 PM	#6
cblacker Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 324	This happened with the Twins a couple of years ago. No hitter going and a comfortable lead, but Gardenhire pulled the pitcher anyway so as not to run up his pitch count.

05-05-2012, 12:13 PM	#10
Mntwins Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minot ND Posts: 379	Maybe he volunteered because he couldn't handle the pressure.

05-05-2012, 12:15 PM	#11
cblacker Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 324	So I was wrong about the "comfortable lead" part - the Twins were up 1-0, but he had 6 outs to go and had thrown 106 pitches. Kevin Slowey removed from no-hitter - Stats & Info Blog - ESPN

05-05-2012, 12:32 PM	#13
ImTheCrew Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 104	Look up some facts people, there was a pitcher pulled from a no hitter after 8.2 innings irl.

05-05-2012, 12:55 PM	#15
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,840	On the surface, this makes no sense, pulling the pitcher. I can't imagine this is how the AI is supposed to work. Either there is an extenuating circumstance the OP is not aware of, or Markus needs to check the code.

05-05-2012, 02:02 PM	#19
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,840	Just curious: Who is E. Cabrera?