National Media Contract Fixed?

Jack Parkman · 06-29-2012, 09:57 PM

What's realistic, every team having same budget or based on market size?

Im playing in 2012 mode

Also do you use entire revenue or owner controls budget?

1998 Yankees · 06-30-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Parkman

What's realistic, every team having same budget or based on market size?

Im playing in 2012 mode

Also do you use entire revenue or owner controls budget?

What's realistic, IMO, is to have market size reflect demography, not fan loyalty and interest (which have their own indicators and effects), to have market size not change much, if at all, over time except to reflect changes in demography (for instance, Miami would be small in 1900, large in 2012) and, to finally get to your question, to have National Media Contract revenue based on market size.

How's that for a run-on sentence?

Le Grande Orange · 06-30-2012, 12:52 PM

The national media contract setting reflects the nature of the national broadcasting contracts signed by sports leagues. The income received by such contracts is, in real life, divided equally amongst the teams in the league. So every club receives the same amount from the national media contract. (In MLB, this is worth roughly $30 million per team).

Local media contracts represent the broadcasting deals signed by each club individually. The value of these in real life varies considerably per team. (The Yankees pull in over $90 million per year from their local television deal; the Rays earn about $18 million.)

1998 Yankees · 06-30-2012, 12:58 PM

Actually, LGO, you just scored a point or two on me in our debate about Market Size and National Media Contracts with that post. It DOES make sense in that regard to just set National Media Contract to be the same for everybody, regardless of market size.

Why? Not just because it reflects reality (point #1). It's also because (and correct me if I am wrong) that either or both fan loyalty and interest affect the moneys earned from the Local Media Contract in this game (point #2).

I am going to my Bat Cave to ponder this. Perhaps to make a change in my game, accordingly.

1998 Yankees · 06-30-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Actually, LGO, you just scored a point or two on me in our debate about Market Size and National Media Contracts with that post. It DOES make sense in that regard to just set National Media Contract to be the same for everybody, regardless of market size.

Why? Not just because it reflects reality (point #1). It's also because (and correct me if I am wrong) that either or both fan loyalty and interest affect the moneys earned from the Local Media Contract in this game (point #2).

I am going to my Bat Cave to ponder this. Perhaps to make a change in my game, accordingly.

Before I do retire to my Bat Cave to ponder, a question to LGO or the public at large: If I set National Media Contract revenue to be the same for all teams, does that resolve for me the dilemma/task of monitoring market sizes so that they do not arbitrarily change (in my estimation)? Do I care anymore? That is, what else is affected by Market Size in this game?

Le Grande Orange · 06-30-2012, 01:35 PM

I championed the splitting of media revenue into separate local and national amounts because that's how it is in real life. And because it adds ways for users to tinker with the finances of their league. The ability to make it based on market size (varying amount for each club) was put in so those who liked the older way OOTP handled media contracts could still run their league that way. If one is setting it up to mimic real life, then the national contract should be fixed (same amount for each club). Of course, if you make it fixed, I think you have to manually adjust the value of that fixed amount if you want it to grow; otherwise it stays at whatever number you set it to initially.

As far as I recall the local media contracts work just as the single media contract setting did in prior versions: the monetary value will rise and fall in accordance with the game's determination of that team's market size. (Which also affects its merchandising revenue, and the attendance as well.)

In regards to what you said in post #2 about having market size reflect the economic potential of the club's host city, I heartily agree. I could go on at length about what the game's economic system should do in my opinion, but if I did I'd be here for hours. Suffice it to say I've mulled over A LOT of factors. Someday I just might write up a proposal document for a new financial system for the game... but the thing would be HUGE and would be tricky to write because of the very interconnected nature of the subject. (It's hard to break down the material into sensible sections since one piece often is related to and interacts with another.)

1998 Yankees · 06-30-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I championed the splitting of media revenue into separate local and national amounts because that's how it is in real life. And because it adds ways for users to tinker with the finances of their league. The ability to make it based on market size (varying amount for each club) was put in so those who liked the older way OOTP handled media contracts could still run their league that way. If one is setting it up to mimic real life, then the national contract should be fixed (same amount for each club). Of course, if you make it fixed, I think you have to manually adjust the value of that fixed amount if you want it to grow; otherwise it stays at whatever number you set it to initially.

As far as I recall the local media contracts work just as the single media contract setting did in prior versions: the monetary value will rise and fall in accordance with the game's determination of that team's market size. (Which also affects its merchandising revenue, and the attendance as well.)

[Emerging from the Bat Cave] . . . This thread has opened my eyes. I honestly think I was stuck in prior version impressions of this issue.

FOR ME, the best thing to do would be to share National Media Contract revenue evenly, because that is the most telling controllable effect on team finances, and thereby removes the ever-changing playing field caused by shifting Market Sizes (until it becomes possible to Lock Market Size, if ever). With Local Media Contract revenue, Market Size has less of an effect on results. I will still endeavor to keep Market Sizes in line as I see them, however.

06-29-2012, 09:57 PM	#1
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06-30-2012, 12:52 PM	#3
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	The national media contract setting reflects the nature of the national broadcasting contracts signed by sports leagues. The income received by such contracts is, in real life, divided equally amongst the teams in the league. So every club receives the same amount from the national media contract. (In MLB, this is worth roughly $30 million per team). Local media contracts represent the broadcasting deals signed by each club individually. The value of these in real life varies considerably per team. (The Yankees pull in over $90 million per year from their local television deal; the Rays earn about $18 million.)

06-30-2012, 12:58 PM	#4
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Actually, LGO, you just scored a point or two on me in our debate about Market Size and National Media Contracts with that post. It DOES make sense in that regard to just set National Media Contract to be the same for everybody, regardless of market size. Why? Not just because it reflects reality (point #1). It's also because (and correct me if I am wrong) that either or both fan loyalty and interest affect the moneys earned from the Local Media Contract in this game (point #2). I am going to my Bat Cave to ponder this. Perhaps to make a change in my game, accordingly.

06-30-2012, 01:35 PM	#6
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	I championed the splitting of media revenue into separate local and national amounts because that's how it is in real life. And because it adds ways for users to tinker with the finances of their league. The ability to make it based on market size (varying amount for each club) was put in so those who liked the older way OOTP handled media contracts could still run their league that way. If one is setting it up to mimic real life, then the national contract should be fixed (same amount for each club). Of course, if you make it fixed, I think you have to manually adjust the value of that fixed amount if you want it to grow; otherwise it stays at whatever number you set it to initially. As far as I recall the local media contracts work just as the single media contract setting did in prior versions: the monetary value will rise and fall in accordance with the game's determination of that team's market size. (Which also affects its merchandising revenue, and the attendance as well.) In regards to what you said in post #2 about having market size reflect the economic potential of the club's host city, I heartily agree. I could go on at length about what the game's economic system should do in my opinion, but if I did I'd be here for hours. Suffice it to say I've mulled over A LOT of factors. Someday I just might write up a proposal document for a new financial system for the game... but the thing would be HUGE and would be tricky to write because of the very interconnected nature of the subject. (It's hard to break down the material into sensible sections since one piece often is related to and interacts with another.)