Cash from Owner

SunDevil · 04-19-2012, 08:03 PM

The purpose of this thread was to track:
1. What type of owners give/take money from their teams
2. By what amount of money is either added to the team or removed from the team
3. The conditions from which an owner decides to give money to their team or takes money away.

Setup Info:
MLB QuickStart (All in one Mod)

November 5th, 2015
The playoffs have ended, and the offseason has started. The first news item that I noticed was this:

The old owner of the Yankees was:

In his years as the owner of the Yankees, Hank never added or took money from the team. They were always profitable, till the point of his selling of the team, they had over $100 million in cash. With a rating of 10 in the owner spending attribute, that means that Hank would not see the need to withdraw money from the team, but instead do everything he could to make sure the club stayed in the green in terms of profit.

The $100 million in cash is something that I want you to remember because it changes drastically once the new owner takes over the team.

The new owner of the Yankees:

Did you notice the crazy drop in available cash from the All Star break of the 2015 season and the offseason of 2015. Hank was sitting on over $100 million at the All Star break. Now in November of the same year the available cash for the Yankees is just over $29 million. So what happened?

This:

With the new owner have just a value of 2 for Owner Spending he decided to take over $44 million from the available cash of the team. But this is not the only case throughout the league for teams that have owners with a value between 1 through 4 in terms of the Owner Spending attribute, these owners take millions of dollars each year from their teams.

Now in the real world owners do this all this all the time, and I'm glad that Markus put in this feature. My first question is, what determines how much an owner takes in available cash from the team? There will be more screen shots of other owners who have done the same thing, and maybe we can find a pattern of percentages.

snepp · 04-19-2012, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunDevil

My first question is, what determines how much an owner takes in available cash from the team?

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're asking, but isn't that exactly what the "Owner Spending" attribute determines?

SunDevil · 04-19-2012, 08:30 PM

Yep. But why was it $44 million that he took? In further screen shots, an owner has taken 23 or 24 million each year for the past 3 years. Why is it 23 or 24 million? I guess I'm just trying to figure out why does an owner take a certain amount of available cash. Now obviously it depends on how much cash is available, but there are other teams that have close $100 million as available cash and that owner only takes $22 million at the end of each year.

snepp · 04-19-2012, 09:32 PM

Here are a couple of numbers to add to your collection. Financial setup similar to yours, owner budgets, huge cash max, same revenue sharing, the only difference is that I use smaller figures.

I edited each team to have the same end-of-season balance (250,000). The list is "Owner Spending" followed by the amount that they kept (and %).

1 - 200,000 (80%)
2 - 150,000 (60%)
3 - 100,000 (40%)
4 - 50,000 (20%)
5 - 0
6 thru 10 same as 5

This time with a 150,000 cash maximum. When you account for the first 100,000 automatically kept due to the cash max, the percentages end up being the same (80/60/40/20).

1 - 220,000
2 - 190,000
3 - 160,000
4 - 130,000
5 - 100,000
6 thru 10 same as 5

Negative 250,000 balance, no cash max, list shows money added by owner.

1 - 25,000
2 - 50,000
3 - 75,000
4 - 100,000
5 - 125,000
6 - 150,000
7 - 175,000
8 - 200,000
9 - 225,000
10 - 250,000

SunDevil · 04-23-2012, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snepp

Here are a couple of numbers to add to your collection. Financial setup similar to yours, owner budgets, huge cash max, same revenue sharing, the only difference is that I use smaller figures.

I edited each team to have the same end-of-season balance (250,000). The list is "Owner Spending" followed by the amount that they kept (and %).

1 - 200,000 (80%)
2 - 150,000 (60%)
3 - 100,000 (40%)
4 - 50,000 (20%)
5 - 0
6 thru 10 same as 5

This time with a 150,000 cash maximum. When you account for the first 100,000 automatically kept due to the cash max, the percentages end up being the same (80/60/40/20).

1 - 220,000
2 - 190,000
3 - 160,000
4 - 130,000
5 - 100,000
6 thru 10 same as 5

Negative 250,000 balance, no cash max, list shows money added by owner.

1 - 25,000
2 - 50,000
3 - 75,000
4 - 100,000
5 - 125,000
6 - 150,000
7 - 175,000
8 - 200,000
9 - 225,000
10 - 250,000

Thanks Snepp

Lou Gehrig · 04-29-2012, 07:05 PM

Why do some of the teams start with no cash at all. Are they broke?

Should we adjust this before starting a season? If so, by how much?
(Starting a new 2012 MLB season.)

SunDevil · 04-29-2012, 07:10 PM

Here is a spreadsheet with all the changes I make to the teams in the MLB quickstart when starting a new league.

Lou Gehrig · 04-29-2012, 07:17 PM

Thank you for sharing the spreadsheet. That is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

reddawg · 04-29-2012, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunDevil

Here is a spreadsheet with all the changes I make to the teams in the MLB quickstart when starting a new league.

this is why I'm starting to love this place, learn so much just by lurking.....

thanks you guys !!
btw use to play the show alot (still due at times) but boy they need to breathe some new blood into that series imo. Use to go to operation sports site a fair bit also, to do the same thing but that place is like a fricking high school clique and a bunch of fanboys. place seems to be run the same way too.

Glad I found this game and these forums.

For the Glory · 05-02-2012, 12:24 AM

Where and what is the BLR rank...also where is the media rank?

SunDevil · 05-02-2012, 12:42 AM

Those columns were input from a Forbes article and a media market ranking. Those are not something to put into the game, they were just a visual indicator for me when I tried to balance out the biggest markets and the smallest markets.

For the Glory · 05-02-2012, 12:46 AM

OK. thank you...I am making the adjustments..you have successfully tested these settings for years into the game?

SunDevil · 05-02-2012, 12:56 AM

Yep. I have no idea why you want these settings. It was something that I did for myself and someone asked for me to post my spreadsheet and so I did. I have simmed 20 years once and simmed 5 years twice and no teams were in the red and there weren't any stars sitting in FA pool waiting to be signed.

But at the end of the day if you don't make any changes to the League Financial settings, this spreadsheet alone won't help you.

Again, you should make sure you read the threads so you understand what is being changed and why.

For the Glory · 05-02-2012, 01:00 AM

when you say changing the League Financial settings, what exactly do mean? I just want to make sure I get everything correct.

SunDevil · 05-02-2012, 01:25 AM

Well you should read the very first post in this thread and look at the image called Team Revenue Settings.

For the Glory · 05-02-2012, 01:47 AM

Okay, so what you are saying, is I need to change to all of these new settings, as the defaults will eventually mean trouble?

SunDevil · 05-02-2012, 01:59 AM

No, what I'm saying is that you should stick to the defaults until you understand what you are changing and why. You are most likely going to mess something up or miss something and waste a lot of time and effort.

This post says that the defaults work fine for the MLB quickstart.
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...93-post71.html

Again, I changed the settings for my personal preference and tons of testing and was asked to post my changes.

You should just try to enjoy the game and learn more about it as you go and not worry about making all these changes.

04-19-2012, 08:03 PM	#1
SunDevil Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 373	Cash from Owner The purpose of this thread was to track: 1. What type of owners give/take money from their teams 2. By what amount of money is either added to the team or removed from the team 3. The conditions from which an owner decides to give money to their team or takes money away. Setup Info: MLB QuickStart (All in one Mod) November 5th, 2015 The playoffs have ended, and the offseason has started. The first news item that I noticed was this: The old owner of the Yankees was: In his years as the owner of the Yankees, Hank never added or took money from the team. They were always profitable, till the point of his selling of the team, they had over $100 million in cash. With a rating of 10 in the owner spending attribute, that means that Hank would not see the need to withdraw money from the team, but instead do everything he could to make sure the club stayed in the green in terms of profit. The $100 million in cash is something that I want you to remember because it changes drastically once the new owner takes over the team. The new owner of the Yankees: Did you notice the crazy drop in available cash from the All Star break of the 2015 season and the offseason of 2015. Hank was sitting on over $100 million at the All Star break. Now in November of the same year the available cash for the Yankees is just over $29 million. So what happened? This: With the new owner have just a value of 2 for Owner Spending he decided to take over $44 million from the available cash of the team. But this is not the only case throughout the league for teams that have owners with a value between 1 through 4 in terms of the Owner Spending attribute, these owners take millions of dollars each year from their teams. Now in the real world owners do this all this all the time, and I'm glad that Markus put in this feature. My first question is, what determines how much an owner takes in available cash from the team? There will be more screen shots of other owners who have done the same thing, and maybe we can find a pattern of percentages.

04-19-2012, 09:32 PM	#4
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,495	Here are a couple of numbers to add to your collection. Financial setup similar to yours, owner budgets, huge cash max, same revenue sharing, the only difference is that I use smaller figures. I edited each team to have the same end-of-season balance (250,000). The list is "Owner Spending" followed by the amount that they kept (and %). 1 - 200,000 (80%) 2 - 150,000 (60%) 3 - 100,000 (40%) 4 - 50,000 (20%) 5 - 0 6 thru 10 same as 5 This time with a 150,000 cash maximum. When you account for the first 100,000 automatically kept due to the cash max, the percentages end up being the same (80/60/40/20). 1 - 220,000 2 - 190,000 3 - 160,000 4 - 130,000 5 - 100,000 6 thru 10 same as 5 Negative 250,000 balance, no cash max, list shows money added by owner. 1 - 25,000 2 - 50,000 3 - 75,000 4 - 100,000 5 - 125,000 6 - 150,000 7 - 175,000 8 - 200,000 9 - 225,000 10 - 250,000 Last edited by snepp; 04-20-2012 at 12:57 AM.

04-29-2012, 07:05 PM	#6
Lou Gehrig Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: New York Posts: 292	Why do some of the teams start with no cash at all. Are they broke? Should we adjust this before starting a season? If so, by how much? (Starting a new 2012 MLB season.) __________________ "Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the earth." LOU GEHRIG Yankee Stadium July 4, 1939 www.alsa.org

04-29-2012, 07:17 PM	#8
Lou Gehrig Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: New York Posts: 292	Thank you for sharing the spreadsheet. That is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. __________________ "Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the earth." LOU GEHRIG Yankee Stadium July 4, 1939 www.alsa.org Last edited by Lou Gehrig; 04-29-2012 at 08:14 PM.

04-19-2012, 08:30 PM	#3
SunDevil Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 373	Yep. But why was it $44 million that he took? In further screen shots, an owner has taken 23 or 24 million each year for the past 3 years. Why is it 23 or 24 million? I guess I'm just trying to figure out why does an owner take a certain amount of available cash. Now obviously it depends on how much cash is available, but there are other teams that have close $100 million as available cash and that owner only takes $22 million at the end of each year.

04-29-2012, 07:10 PM	#7
SunDevil Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 373	Here is a spreadsheet with all the changes I make to the teams in the MLB quickstart when starting a new league.

05-02-2012, 12:24 AM	#10
For the Glory Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 58	Where and what is the BLR rank...also where is the media rank?

05-02-2012, 12:42 AM	#11
SunDevil Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 373	Those columns were input from a Forbes article and a media market ranking. Those are not something to put into the game, they were just a visual indicator for me when I tried to balance out the biggest markets and the smallest markets.

05-02-2012, 12:46 AM	#12
For the Glory Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 58	OK. thank you...I am making the adjustments..you have successfully tested these settings for years into the game?

05-02-2012, 12:56 AM	#13
SunDevil Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 373	Yep. I have no idea why you want these settings. It was something that I did for myself and someone asked for me to post my spreadsheet and so I did. I have simmed 20 years once and simmed 5 years twice and no teams were in the red and there weren't any stars sitting in FA pool waiting to be signed. But at the end of the day if you don't make any changes to the League Financial settings, this spreadsheet alone won't help you. Again, you should make sure you read the threads so you understand what is being changed and why.

05-02-2012, 01:00 AM	#14
For the Glory Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 58	when you say changing the League Financial settings, what exactly do mean? I just want to make sure I get everything correct.

05-02-2012, 01:25 AM	#15
SunDevil Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 373	Well you should read the very first post in this thread and look at the image called Team Revenue Settings.

05-02-2012, 01:47 AM	#16
For the Glory Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 58	Okay, so what you are saying, is I need to change to all of these new settings, as the defaults will eventually mean trouble?

05-02-2012, 01:59 AM	#17
SunDevil Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 373	No, what I'm saying is that you should stick to the defaults until you understand what you are changing and why. You are most likely going to mess something up or miss something and waste a lot of time and effort. This post says that the defaults work fine for the MLB quickstart. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...93-post71.html Again, I changed the settings for my personal preference and tons of testing and was asked to post my changes. You should just try to enjoy the game and learn more about it as you go and not worry about making all these changes.