World Series History - Champions blank?

LansdowneSt · 10-16-2011, 03:07 AM

I've been playing as the Boston Americans since 1901 and just completed the 1907 season. I went back and looked at the "History" section where it shows who won the world sereis each year and the 1906 conterst between the Americans and the Phillies has neither team in bold. When I go to the Champion section and ask to see the pictures of the players from that winning team - it is blank... 1905 correctly shows the Naps and 1907 correctly shows the Pirates (those are the teams that won in my replay) but why is my 1906 victory not showing we beat the Phillies? When I go to Jimmy Collins and look at his personal history, it is logged properly. Can I edit this somewhere to correct for this in the main History section?

Thx for the help

Nugget699 · 10-16-2011, 07:12 AM

I had the same problem and made a post about it a few days ago.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ug-before.html

I filled out a support ticket but it seems no one cares

Henry · 10-16-2011, 09:31 AM

I can confirm this too. Happened to my Pacific Coast League - ALSO in 1906.

I wouldn't assume no one cares, they have been rather wrapped up with a couple updates they didn't plan on: this will probably go down as a v13 fix.

LansdowneSt · 10-16-2011, 12:27 PM

Thanks for the replies. Nuggett - I left a reply on yours as well - thanks for posting the screen shots of the issue. It's the same.

With all the sims going on out there, there might be a way to isolate why it would register in a player's history but get missed in the league history.

If the source problem can't be isolated - maybe just a manual override in the league set-up to back-date a team as a winner - afterall in all cases it looks like the pennant winners get acknowledged - just need to designate a "winner" for the historic team stats. That would be the quickest fix for an update and would allow "in-progress" games to make the necessary retroactive "fix".

hefalumps · 11-26-2011, 10:19 AM

Count me as someone this happened to. The California Angels won the World Series in 1996 in a league I was playing with OOTP11. I converted my league to OOTP12 on the last day of the playoffs, just before the offseason started. Once the game was in OOTP12 I advanced to the offseason and went on my way.

It wasn't until later I noticed that the History had recorded no champion, even though in most other places the Angels were noted as the winner (including Player histories). Like others, the "Champions" page is blank for that year, no team is bolded in the main "History" page, and the manager's history only has him registering as "Made Playoffs" instead of "WON Playoffs".

I thought this issue might have been caused by two things:

1) The import to OOTP12. Maybe by doing that on the last day of the postseason something got messed up so the Angels didn't get properly "crowned".

2) The fact that the California Angels got renamed to the Anaheim Angels on day one of the offseason by OOTP12's auto-expansion.

The OP mentioned he was playing as Boston starting in 1901, and that his 1906 championship didn't register. I just checked and Boston changed from the Pilgrims to the Red Sox between the 1906 and 1907 season. Could be a coincidence, or could point to a potential source.

That doesn't explain what happened to Henry's PCL champion in 1906, however, as I doubt minor league teams are getting auto re-named by the game. But maybe auto-expansion still has something to do with it.

I am in the 1997 playoffs right now. Auto-expansion should be very busy creating the Rays and Dbacks when I advance to the offseason, so I'll post back and let you know if the champion gets crowned this time. But none of the possible World Series winners will be changing names, cities, or leagues (Baltimore, Cleveland, Atlanta, Los Angeles).

Nugget699 · 11-26-2011, 03:21 PM

It wouldn't be the import because my save is a 12 native and it still happened.

hefalumps · 11-26-2011, 03:46 PM

Thanks Nugget. That's good to know. I think I have a backup of my league from before I imported it and just after I imported it. I might try to go back and look to see if I can get it to happen again. Maybe I'll try turning off auto-expansion to see what happens.

I also PMed Markus to see if he has any thoughts. I'll post back if he responds or if I find anything else.

DreamTeams · 11-26-2011, 06:15 PM

I don't have on auto-expansion and it happened to me.

hefalumps · 11-26-2011, 06:27 PM

Thanks for the post, DreamTeams. Though I would have rather found something we all had in common so that Markus could hopefully pinpoint the bug, eliminating possible causes can still be helpful.

For those of you who have had this happen, has it ever happened to you twice in the same league? I'm really worried that this is going to keep happening to me and completely screw up my playoff history.

Mecza · 11-26-2011, 08:16 PM

It has happened to me and it has not happened twice yet in the same league. It occurred in my feeder league so it isn't THAT big of a deal, but it is very annoying to know that once a team has not been properly accounted for in the league history winning a championship.

hefalumps · 11-27-2011, 10:24 AM

Alright... it happened to me for the second straight year. But I noticed something this time.

After the World Series was over, I went to the standings page and it clearly showed Cleveland as the winner. I advanced to the final day of the playoffs (i.e. the day after the last game of the World Series) and Clevleand was still being shown as the winner. I then closed out of OOTP and did a full backup of my league directory before moving to the offseason (basically zipped it up into a zip file), as I have always done with OOTP11 and previous versions. I've never had a problem with this before.

When I opened OOTP12 back up and went into my league, I went back to the standings page. The winner is now blank. And sure enough, when I advanced to day one of the offseason and the History/Champions list is supposed to be updated, I have no bolded champion for 1997 in my history and another blank champion.

At this point I'm wondering if it has something to do with either saving the game or closing OOTP in between the end of the World Series and the beginning of the offseason. Do any of you who have been affected by this happen to remember if you might have either saved or closed OOTP in between the end of the World Series and the start of the offseason?

hefalumps · 11-27-2011, 12:59 PM

Good news... sort of.

I restored a backup of my league from the start of the playoffs. I simmed through most of the games but played out the final game of the World Series (this time Atlanta won). I actually was wrong before... on the day the final game of the World Series is played, there's no team listed as the "WINNER" yet on the Standings page. But once you advance to the day after (the one just before the start of the offseason), then OOTP fills in the WINNER.

Well, I saved my game there and everything still looked fine. Browsed away from the Standings page and came back, and Atlanta was still the winner.

Then I closed OOTP and reopened it, clicked "Continue Game" to get back into my league. Back to the standings page... NO WINNER.

I advanced a day to the offseason, and same thing - no champion in the history.

I'm going to restore again from my backup and follow the same procedure, but this time not quit OOTP in between the end of the World Series and the start of the offseason. I'll let you know how it goes.

hefalumps · 11-27-2011, 02:27 PM

Alrighty...

Restored the same backup, did the same thing as before. Played out the last game of the World Series (this time Cleveland won again), advanced to the last day before the offseason to check that Cleveland was listed as WINNER, saved my game, and then advanced the next day to start the offseason.

Cleveland is now listed as champion correctly everywhere.

So closing OOTP in between the end of the World Series and the start of the offseason apparently messes something up. And that's not to say it's the only way this can happen, but it is a reasonable theory. I always closed OOTP just before the offseason to make a backup copy of my league, so that would explain why this happened to me both times I advanced to the offseason so far in OOTP12. I guess next time the offseason rolls around, I'll save my game but keep OOTP open while I make my backup copy - then hopefully the champion history should stay in tact.

If anyone else would like to try duplicating this behavior with a test league, I'd appreciate it. It could be this was just a fluke and that something else is causing this. But to be safe, I'd try to avoid closing OOTP between postseason end and offseason start.

I still really hope this is something Markus can fix retroactively, even if it involves some kind of separate repair utility. Maybe there's a dat file somewhere we can upload to tech support for repair.

The Angels and Indians were the teams that had their championships misrecorded, and it was the first and only championship for each team. Feel kind of bad that they're not getting full credit.

DreamTeams · 11-27-2011, 06:17 PM

Thanks for putting in the detective work on this, hefalumps. Hopefully a fix is coming.

Nugget699 · 11-27-2011, 06:59 PM

I think you might have something Hef. On my save I closed the game down in-between as I was simming a day at a time and then closing the application when it happened.

I just started a test league and did exactly as you described by saving the game and exiting in between the WS end and start of Off-season and yup, the game didn't register who won correctly in the history.

LansdowneSt · 11-27-2011, 07:09 PM

"closing OOTP in between the end of the World Series and the start of the offseason apparently messes something up"

Actually - I DID close before the offseason. It was a hard fought victory and the fact it was very late and I had to work in the morning led me to shut down quickly after the victory (but still properly) and to deal with the offseason the next time I played. By "deal with the offseason" I mean see who Boston received as debut players, change the uniform and caps for the upcoming year, etc - all that stuff I do before starting the next season. Usually I enjoy doing all that and then close out - but for that victory over the Phils in 1906 I recall specifically deciding to deal with it next time around.

i've had this error in other games (non-historic, playing 2011 and forward for 50 years) and I've never been able to figure out how or why it has happened - but your ability to repeat the error is quite revealing.

A mod to manually correct would indeed be welcome - the correct histories and stats add to the game in a way that I think all OOTP die-hards would readily admit to.

Thanks to all who have been taking a look at this issue,

hefalumps · 11-27-2011, 08:07 PM

Glad to hear we might be on to something. I PMed this thread to Markus a couple of days ago, so hopefully he'll read it and look into it.

Nugget699, you said you opened a trouble ticket about this issue. Could you update it with what we've found out?

Thanks!

Nugget699 · 11-27-2011, 08:23 PM

In a word, nothing happened. I even sent them a link to my save game so they could download it and I never heard back.

hefalumps · 11-27-2011, 08:30 PM

Hm... well is there a way to login to the support website and update your trouble ticket with new information? Maybe that would put it back in someone's line of sight. If not, I can submit my own ticket.

Biggio509 · 11-28-2011, 01:52 AM

Not really the same problem but similar. When you add a subleague or move teams often times the winners are no longer shown before the 2 leagues began. They still showed up under champions. Also team names are lost when you move them to a different league. For instance when you move a team from the AA to the NA only the current name shows up and you lose previous names. Or if you move the Boston Red Stockings from the NA to NL and rename them Red Caps only Red Caps and future name changes show up on the history page.

10-16-2011, 03:07 AM	#1
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 8,075	World Series History - Champions blank? I've been playing as the Boston Americans since 1901 and just completed the 1907 season. I went back and looked at the "History" section where it shows who won the world sereis each year and the 1906 conterst between the Americans and the Phillies has neither team in bold. When I go to the Champion section and ask to see the pictures of the players from that winning team - it is blank... 1905 correctly shows the Naps and 1907 correctly shows the Pirates (those are the teams that won in my replay) but why is my 1906 victory not showing we beat the Phillies? When I go to Jimmy Collins and look at his personal history, it is logged properly. Can I edit this somewhere to correct for this in the main History section? Thx for the help

10-16-2011, 09:31 AM	#3
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	I can confirm this too. Happened to my Pacific Coast League - ALSO in 1906. I wouldn't assume no one cares, they have been rather wrapped up with a couple updates they didn't plan on: this will probably go down as a v13 fix. Last edited by Henry; 10-16-2011 at 09:34 AM.

11-26-2011, 06:15 PM	#8
DreamTeams Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,522	I don't have on auto-expansion and it happened to me. __________________

11-27-2011, 02:27 PM	#13
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,391	Alrighty... Restored the same backup, did the same thing as before. Played out the last game of the World Series (this time Cleveland won again), advanced to the last day before the offseason to check that Cleveland was listed as WINNER, saved my game, and then advanced the next day to start the offseason. Cleveland is now listed as champion correctly everywhere. So closing OOTP in between the end of the World Series and the start of the offseason apparently messes something up. And that's not to say it's the only way this can happen, but it is a reasonable theory. I always closed OOTP just before the offseason to make a backup copy of my league, so that would explain why this happened to me both times I advanced to the offseason so far in OOTP12. I guess next time the offseason rolls around, I'll save my game but keep OOTP open while I make my backup copy - then hopefully the champion history should stay in tact. If anyone else would like to try duplicating this behavior with a test league, I'd appreciate it. It could be this was just a fluke and that something else is causing this. But to be safe, I'd try to avoid closing OOTP between postseason end and offseason start. I still really hope this is something Markus can fix retroactively, even if it involves some kind of separate repair utility. Maybe there's a dat file somewhere we can upload to tech support for repair. The Angels and Indians were the teams that had their championships misrecorded, and it was the first and only championship for each team. Feel kind of bad that they're not getting full credit. Last edited by hefalumps; 11-27-2011 at 02:32 PM.

11-27-2011, 06:17 PM	#14
DreamTeams Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,522	Thanks for putting in the detective work on this, hefalumps. Hopefully a fix is coming. __________________ Last edited by DreamTeams; 11-27-2011 at 09:02 PM.

10-16-2011, 07:12 AM	#2
Nugget699 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 444	I had the same problem and made a post about it a few days ago. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ug-before.html I filled out a support ticket but it seems no one cares

10-16-2011, 12:27 PM	#4
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 8,075	Thanks for the replies. Nuggett - I left a reply on yours as well - thanks for posting the screen shots of the issue. It's the same. With all the sims going on out there, there might be a way to isolate why it would register in a player's history but get missed in the league history. If the source problem can't be isolated - maybe just a manual override in the league set-up to back-date a team as a winner - afterall in all cases it looks like the pennant winners get acknowledged - just need to designate a "winner" for the historic team stats. That would be the quickest fix for an update and would allow "in-progress" games to make the necessary retroactive "fix".

11-26-2011, 10:19 AM	#5
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,391	Count me as someone this happened to. The California Angels won the World Series in 1996 in a league I was playing with OOTP11. I converted my league to OOTP12 on the last day of the playoffs, just before the offseason started. Once the game was in OOTP12 I advanced to the offseason and went on my way. It wasn't until later I noticed that the History had recorded no champion, even though in most other places the Angels were noted as the winner (including Player histories). Like others, the "Champions" page is blank for that year, no team is bolded in the main "History" page, and the manager's history only has him registering as "Made Playoffs" instead of "WON Playoffs". I thought this issue might have been caused by two things: 1) The import to OOTP12. Maybe by doing that on the last day of the postseason something got messed up so the Angels didn't get properly "crowned". 2) The fact that the California Angels got renamed to the Anaheim Angels on day one of the offseason by OOTP12's auto-expansion. The OP mentioned he was playing as Boston starting in 1901, and that his 1906 championship didn't register. I just checked and Boston changed from the Pilgrims to the Red Sox between the 1906 and 1907 season. Could be a coincidence, or could point to a potential source. That doesn't explain what happened to Henry's PCL champion in 1906, however, as I doubt minor league teams are getting auto re-named by the game. But maybe auto-expansion still has something to do with it. I am in the 1997 playoffs right now. Auto-expansion should be very busy creating the Rays and Dbacks when I advance to the offseason, so I'll post back and let you know if the champion gets crowned this time. But none of the possible World Series winners will be changing names, cities, or leagues (Baltimore, Cleveland, Atlanta, Los Angeles).

11-26-2011, 03:21 PM	#6
Nugget699 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 444	It wouldn't be the import because my save is a 12 native and it still happened.

11-26-2011, 03:46 PM	#7
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,391	Thanks Nugget. That's good to know. I think I have a backup of my league from before I imported it and just after I imported it. I might try to go back and look to see if I can get it to happen again. Maybe I'll try turning off auto-expansion to see what happens. I also PMed Markus to see if he has any thoughts. I'll post back if he responds or if I find anything else.

11-26-2011, 06:27 PM	#9
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,391	Thanks for the post, DreamTeams. Though I would have rather found something we all had in common so that Markus could hopefully pinpoint the bug, eliminating possible causes can still be helpful. For those of you who have had this happen, has it ever happened to you twice in the same league? I'm really worried that this is going to keep happening to me and completely screw up my playoff history.

11-26-2011, 08:16 PM	#10
Mecza Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 268	It has happened to me and it has not happened twice yet in the same league. It occurred in my feeder league so it isn't THAT big of a deal, but it is very annoying to know that once a team has not been properly accounted for in the league history winning a championship.

11-27-2011, 10:24 AM	#11
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,391	Alright... it happened to me for the second straight year. But I noticed something this time. After the World Series was over, I went to the standings page and it clearly showed Cleveland as the winner. I advanced to the final day of the playoffs (i.e. the day after the last game of the World Series) and Clevleand was still being shown as the winner. I then closed out of OOTP and did a full backup of my league directory before moving to the offseason (basically zipped it up into a zip file), as I have always done with OOTP11 and previous versions. I've never had a problem with this before. When I opened OOTP12 back up and went into my league, I went back to the standings page. The winner is now blank. And sure enough, when I advanced to day one of the offseason and the History/Champions list is supposed to be updated, I have no bolded champion for 1997 in my history and another blank champion. At this point I'm wondering if it has something to do with either saving the game or closing OOTP in between the end of the World Series and the beginning of the offseason. Do any of you who have been affected by this happen to remember if you might have either saved or closed OOTP in between the end of the World Series and the start of the offseason?

11-27-2011, 12:59 PM	#12
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,391	Good news... sort of. I restored a backup of my league from the start of the playoffs. I simmed through most of the games but played out the final game of the World Series (this time Atlanta won). I actually was wrong before... on the day the final game of the World Series is played, there's no team listed as the "WINNER" yet on the Standings page. But once you advance to the day after (the one just before the start of the offseason), then OOTP fills in the WINNER. Well, I saved my game there and everything still looked fine. Browsed away from the Standings page and came back, and Atlanta was still the winner. Then I closed OOTP and reopened it, clicked "Continue Game" to get back into my league. Back to the standings page... NO WINNER. I advanced a day to the offseason, and same thing - no champion in the history. I'm going to restore again from my backup and follow the same procedure, but this time not quit OOTP in between the end of the World Series and the start of the offseason. I'll let you know how it goes.

11-27-2011, 06:59 PM	#15
Nugget699 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 444	I think you might have something Hef. On my save I closed the game down in-between as I was simming a day at a time and then closing the application when it happened. I just started a test league and did exactly as you described by saving the game and exiting in between the WS end and start of Off-season and yup, the game didn't register who won correctly in the history.

11-27-2011, 07:09 PM	#16
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 8,075	"closing OOTP in between the end of the World Series and the start of the offseason apparently messes something up" Actually - I DID close before the offseason. It was a hard fought victory and the fact it was very late and I had to work in the morning led me to shut down quickly after the victory (but still properly) and to deal with the offseason the next time I played. By "deal with the offseason" I mean see who Boston received as debut players, change the uniform and caps for the upcoming year, etc - all that stuff I do before starting the next season. Usually I enjoy doing all that and then close out - but for that victory over the Phils in 1906 I recall specifically deciding to deal with it next time around. i've had this error in other games (non-historic, playing 2011 and forward for 50 years) and I've never been able to figure out how or why it has happened - but your ability to repeat the error is quite revealing. A mod to manually correct would indeed be welcome - the correct histories and stats add to the game in a way that I think all OOTP die-hards would readily admit to. Thanks to all who have been taking a look at this issue,

11-27-2011, 08:07 PM	#17
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,391	Glad to hear we might be on to something. I PMed this thread to Markus a couple of days ago, so hopefully he'll read it and look into it. Nugget699, you said you opened a trouble ticket about this issue. Could you update it with what we've found out? Thanks!

11-27-2011, 08:23 PM	#18
Nugget699 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 444	In a word, nothing happened. I even sent them a link to my save game so they could download it and I never heard back.

11-27-2011, 08:30 PM	#19
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,391	Hm... well is there a way to login to the support website and update your trouble ticket with new information? Maybe that would put it back in someone's line of sight. If not, I can submit my own ticket.

11-28-2011, 01:52 AM	#20
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,027	Not really the same problem but similar. When you add a subleague or move teams often times the winners are no longer shown before the 2 leagues began. They still showed up under champions. Also team names are lost when you move them to a different league. For instance when you move a team from the AA to the NA only the current name shows up and you lose previous names. Or if you move the Boston Red Stockings from the NA to NL and rename them Red Caps only Red Caps and future name changes show up on the history page.