Double Steal?

wiggins · 11-01-2011, 04:37 PM

Where is the double steal option with runners on 1st and 3rd? Noticed it missing for years. Now that I have a fast team, I'm looking for that option more and more and it's not there. Am I missing something? Is there another way to attempt it that I'm missing?

1998 Yankees · 11-01-2011, 08:54 PM

You're looking for this play but I don't think it's in there.

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In more recent years, pure steals of home are rare, although a player may steal home plate during a "delayed double steal," in which a runner on first attempts to steal second, while the runner on third breaks for home as soon as the catcher throws to second base.

Best you can do, as far as I know, is to call for Steal Home and hope the runner on first ends up on second at the end of the play.

Chicagofan76 · 11-02-2011, 05:19 AM

i wish there was a way to have a player steal 2nd, and have the player on 3rd do a delayed steal if teh C tries to throw to 2nd or have him think its some sort of double steal so the player winds up on 2nd and he stays at 3rd.

On the defense side i wish there was a way to tell your C not to bother throwing down to 2nd in this case, it seems about 2/3 of the time he throws the ball into center and the run scores and the 1st player winds up on 3rd.

OutS|der · 11-02-2011, 06:35 AM

if not a way to tell your catcher at least a rating for players on baseball knowledge for plays like this where they would make one decision over another, ie throw to 2nd or not based on the situation.

MLHFFYP · 11-02-2011, 10:23 AM

The option does not exist. I don't know why because it has been a tactic used for over 100 years of baseball and has been one of the most exciting plays when it does occur in real life.

The issue has been mentioned before but, again, no response that I can recall. This seems to be one of those things that most would recognize as being important to the game but for whatever reason is never put in.

Would like Markus to at least comment on it but I don't think he will so we will all be in limbo seeing something that is important to gameplay not being in the game and not knowing why.

The best way to depict the double steal that I have seen is in Strat-O-Matic. When the double steal is attempted the player has option of cutting the ball off and trying to get the runner at the plate or letting it go through to get the runner at second. It really is well done. I don't play Strat much anymore but I can recall a game I played where my 1913 Giants were playing the World Series against the A's and with two outs in the ninth and down by a run I tried it with runners on first and third. The AI threw my guy out at home thus ending the World Series so it didn't end well for my team but it was exciting and realistic.

Probably one of those things that we will be wishing for in versions to come. I don't count on it getting in though.

wiggins · 11-02-2011, 03:45 PM

It should be in the game! It's a natural play in baseball, all levels. No It doesn't happen everyday, but neither does a straight steal of home, but that's available. I would even suggest that the double steal (First to second, 3rd to home, on the throw down) happens just as much as the straight steal of home. Also the suggestion of stealing home and hoping the guy follows up to second is directly opposite what I'm shooting for. I want the runner on first to head for second and on the throw down to have the runner on third sprint for the plate. It would be the option (Not mine as a manager, the AI) to let the throw come through to second or cut it off and go to the plate. It is a real play in Baseball and should be in this game. If the answer is it's to hard to code then, that's an inherent issue with the original coding of the game, same as the DH Issue. I also go back to wanting to have control of my defense when it comes to defending the sacrifice bunt, which I don't.

1998 Yankees · 11-02-2011, 08:20 PM

Just to clarify for people reading this thread: Double Steal is a play available in the game but only in the "runners on 1st and 2nd" situation, not 1st and 3rd as described above in my previous post and others following.

wiggins · 11-03-2011, 09:21 AM

I'm sorry I did not clarify that. It is only not available in the 1st and 3rd situation, but should be. Thanks Yankee.

1998 Yankees · 11-05-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by wiggins

I'm sorry I did not clarify that. It is only not available in the 1st and 3rd situation, but should be. Thanks Yankee.

NP. I certainly agree with your sentiment that the play should be in the game. I wonder why not; perhaps it's difficult to simulate the 3rd base runner's judgment part of it? That is, he only breaks for home if the catcher throws through to 2nd and the pitcher doesn't cut it off.

wiggins · 11-09-2011, 05:53 PM

Probably right. I would be happy if they found some kind of work around though. I'd rather have the option in the game, even if it isn't statistically sound because it is really is part of the game! Something cosmetic is OK if you know what I mean. Something somewhat random if necessary.

1998 Yankees · 11-09-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wiggins

Probably right. I would be happy if they found some kind of work around though. I'd rather have the option in the game, even if it isn't statistically sound because it is really is part of the game! Something cosmetic is OK if you know what I mean. Something somewhat random if necessary.

Yes, I am sure that's the way other aspects of the game are simulated.

11-01-2011, 04:37 PM	#1
wiggins All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 892	Double Steal? Where is the double steal option with runners on 1st and 3rd? Noticed it missing for years. Now that I have a fast team, I'm looking for that option more and more and it's not there. Am I missing something? Is there another way to attempt it that I'm missing?

11-02-2011, 10:23 AM	#5
MLHFFYP Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 148	Double Steal The option does not exist. I don't know why because it has been a tactic used for over 100 years of baseball and has been one of the most exciting plays when it does occur in real life. The issue has been mentioned before but, again, no response that I can recall. This seems to be one of those things that most would recognize as being important to the game but for whatever reason is never put in. Would like Markus to at least comment on it but I don't think he will so we will all be in limbo seeing something that is important to gameplay not being in the game and not knowing why. The best way to depict the double steal that I have seen is in Strat-O-Matic. When the double steal is attempted the player has option of cutting the ball off and trying to get the runner at the plate or letting it go through to get the runner at second. It really is well done. I don't play Strat much anymore but I can recall a game I played where my 1913 Giants were playing the World Series against the A's and with two outs in the ninth and down by a run I tried it with runners on first and third. The AI threw my guy out at home thus ending the World Series so it didn't end well for my team but it was exciting and realistic. Probably one of those things that we will be wishing for in versions to come. I don't count on it getting in though.

11-02-2011, 05:19 AM	#3
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	i wish there was a way to have a player steal 2nd, and have the player on 3rd do a delayed steal if teh C tries to throw to 2nd or have him think its some sort of double steal so the player winds up on 2nd and he stays at 3rd. On the defense side i wish there was a way to tell your C not to bother throwing down to 2nd in this case, it seems about 2/3 of the time he throws the ball into center and the run scores and the 1st player winds up on 3rd.

11-02-2011, 06:35 AM	#4
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,713 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	if not a way to tell your catcher at least a rating for players on baseball knowledge for plays like this where they would make one decision over another, ie throw to 2nd or not based on the situation.

11-02-2011, 03:45 PM	#6
wiggins All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 892	It should be in the game! It's a natural play in baseball, all levels. No It doesn't happen everyday, but neither does a straight steal of home, but that's available. I would even suggest that the double steal (First to second, 3rd to home, on the throw down) happens just as much as the straight steal of home. Also the suggestion of stealing home and hoping the guy follows up to second is directly opposite what I'm shooting for. I want the runner on first to head for second and on the throw down to have the runner on third sprint for the plate. It would be the option (Not mine as a manager, the AI) to let the throw come through to second or cut it off and go to the plate. It is a real play in Baseball and should be in this game. If the answer is it's to hard to code then, that's an inherent issue with the original coding of the game, same as the DH Issue. I also go back to wanting to have control of my defense when it comes to defending the sacrifice bunt, which I don't.

11-02-2011, 08:20 PM	#7
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Just to clarify for people reading this thread: Double Steal is a play available in the game but only in the "runners on 1st and 2nd" situation, not 1st and 3rd as described above in my previous post and others following.

11-03-2011, 09:21 AM	#8
wiggins All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 892	I'm sorry I did not clarify that. It is only not available in the 1st and 3rd situation, but should be. Thanks Yankee.

11-09-2011, 05:53 PM	#10
wiggins All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 892	Probably right. I would be happy if they found some kind of work around though. I'd rather have the option in the game, even if it isn't statistically sound because it is really is part of the game! Something cosmetic is OK if you know what I mean. Something somewhat random if necessary.