In real life, when did "option years" begin?

jar2574 · 08-21-2011, 11:59 PM

Does anyone know when the waiver system and option years were created in real life?

I am disappointed with how the OOTP AI handles waivers. You can snag good prospects every year at the beginning of the season when the active roster drops from 40 to 25.

I play in the early 1900s, so I don't think there's any reason to use waivers unless they existed in real life.

Thanks to any historical buffs who can answer my question. I Googled it, but couldn't find an answer.

scott1964 · 08-22-2011, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jar2574

Does anyone know when the waiver system and option years were created in real life?

I am disappointed with how the OOTP AI handles waivers. You can snag good prospects every year at the beginning of the season when the active roster drops from 40 to 25.

I play in the early 1900s, so I don't think there's any reason to use waivers unless they existed in real life.

Thanks to any historical buffs who can answer my question. I Googled it, but couldn't find an answer.

I use a reserve roster. Now in 1899 and no problems yet.

Biggio509 · 08-22-2011, 02:39 AM

Waivers and options have existed since the 1890's. The problem is options were somewhat different and not easily replicated in the game. Technically it is the same deal as in the game but back then minors were independent and not owned by the ML teams so an option was when someone was sold to a minor team with a buyback option. The whole independent minors were teams could send players do through sales with buyback clauses is something that is hard to imitate in the game.

The types of waivers really dealt with releases mostly. The grading of minor leagues and stability of leagues did not really come along until the 1890's. You really don't have to worry about this in the game until 1910 if you want to put in the historical 40 man roster. Then you can chose to use waivers or not. Options are meaningless if you have no team controlled minors. They can not be used correctly with indie minors like it was from the 1890's to Branch Rickey.

This might be more information than want but it is good info on early baseball operating rules. League Operating Rules

Also note waivers are pretty meaningless without a 40 man and the intent of the 40 man in 1910 was to limit players under team control. Guys not on the 40 man in the minors belonged to the minor league club and could be signed by anyone who strike a deal with the minor team and were eligible for the rule V draft which was a draft of indie minor players not on 40 man rosters. This is very hard to recreate so if you don't use minors you don't really need this. Waivers can help simulate control of players and help to recreate the ability of teams to claim guys going off the 40 man but the system just does not work like early baseball in OOTP. The game really is not designed to archaic rules.

08-21-2011, 11:59 PM	#1
jar2574 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 405	In real life, when did "option years" begin? Does anyone know when the waiver system and option years were created in real life? I am disappointed with how the OOTP AI handles waivers. You can snag good prospects every year at the beginning of the season when the active roster drops from 40 to 25. I play in the early 1900s, so I don't think there's any reason to use waivers unless they existed in real life. Thanks to any historical buffs who can answer my question. I Googled it, but couldn't find an answer.

08-22-2011, 02:39 AM	#3
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,027	Waivers and options have existed since the 1890's. The problem is options were somewhat different and not easily replicated in the game. Technically it is the same deal as in the game but back then minors were independent and not owned by the ML teams so an option was when someone was sold to a minor team with a buyback option. The whole independent minors were teams could send players do through sales with buyback clauses is something that is hard to imitate in the game. The types of waivers really dealt with releases mostly. The grading of minor leagues and stability of leagues did not really come along until the 1890's. You really don't have to worry about this in the game until 1910 if you want to put in the historical 40 man roster. Then you can chose to use waivers or not. Options are meaningless if you have no team controlled minors. They can not be used correctly with indie minors like it was from the 1890's to Branch Rickey. This might be more information than want but it is good info on early baseball operating rules. League Operating Rules Also note waivers are pretty meaningless without a 40 man and the intent of the 40 man in 1910 was to limit players under team control. Guys not on the 40 man in the minors belonged to the minor league club and could be signed by anyone who strike a deal with the minor team and were eligible for the rule V draft which was a draft of indie minor players not on 40 man rosters. This is very hard to recreate so if you don't use minors you don't really need this. Waivers can help simulate control of players and help to recreate the ability of teams to claim guys going off the 40 man but the system just does not work like early baseball in OOTP. The game really is not designed to archaic rules. Last edited by Biggio509; 08-22-2011 at 02:42 AM.