Trade AI settings in OOTP 12

PSUColonel · 07-20-2011, 01:35 PM

What setting do you find to be the most challenging and realistic combined?

I am starting to think hard is not very realistic, and that average might be a better setting in OOTP 12. What do others think?

da commish · 07-20-2011, 02:50 PM

I use the Hard setting except during the winter meetings when I move it to Average. I have found it to be pretty difficult to get a decent trade at this setting, but I still find the Average setting too easy to rip off the AI, especially by trading expensive, on the decline old veterans for up and coming high potential prospects. It seems a little better than OOTP 11 but I'd still like a setting between the 2 (or make Average a little less easy).

reds1869 · 07-20-2011, 02:59 PM

In the past I've use hard, but this year I find Average to be more to my liking. I've made trades that are quite realistic and it is no longer as easy to fleece the AI.

james17 · 07-20-2011, 03:01 PM

I use average...sometimes the A/I likes to rip me off now too and thats good as long as it doesn't happen too often.

Orcin · 07-20-2011, 03:07 PM

I am using hard/neutral and I really like it. I still get some fair trades but it is really hard to fleece the AI.

Thundercrack · 07-20-2011, 03:42 PM

The hard in 12 is, in my opinion, significantly harder than in past versions. Haven't tried average yet but may have to make the switch.

hluraven · 07-20-2011, 03:55 PM

Probably hard, it is hard to make favourable trades on hard but not impossible. Average is maybe more "fun" as hard is sometimes hard work, but I think hard is more realistic.

I always go for neutral as favor prospects makes it way too easy to get established major leaguers, including star players.

robc · 07-20-2011, 04:02 PM

It is really hard to find a setting that is good all the time. In the past I used either Hard / Neutral or Very Hard / Neutral. In general, Very Hard is too restrictive and too many fair trades are rejected by the AI. Hard is better, but still suffers from this somewhat.

I only do 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 trades, but some players the AI just undervalues and you can get a steal if you take it. If I am playing on Hard and I think I am getting too much of a steal, sometimes I will switch to Very Hard and see if the AI still accepts it.

oman19 · 07-20-2011, 04:11 PM

I've always used Hard/Neutral in the past but after reading this thread I might give Average/Neutral a try.

MizzouRah · 07-20-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by orcin

i am using hard/neutral and i really like it. I still get some fair trades but it is really hard to fleece the ai.

+1

gord · 07-20-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

I am using hard/neutral and I really like it. I still get some fair trades but it is really hard to fleece the AI.

This is what I'm using as well. I wish it were easier to trade for minor league players though. I find it very difficult to trade for even the lowest of prospects (21/21). I'll offer up a decent major leaguer and try to get some scrub and the only way they'll trade is if I throw in my 21/71 top prospect.

Aytumious · 07-20-2011, 08:26 PM

One of the unfortunate problems with the average setting is that you can often trade for a player and then immediately turn around and shop the newly acquired player for an even better player than was available with the guy you just traded.

I understand logically why that is possible, but it does make it hard to leave the setting at average.

MikeS21 · 07-20-2011, 10:16 PM

Can someone clarify this for me? If I set the AI trade setting to "Favor Veterans" does that mean the AI wants my veterans and will offer me prospects? Or do I assume they want my veterans and will offer me veterans because it assumes I "favor veterans"?

There are times - like for salary dumps, I'd love to trade a veteran in return for a decent prospect. But other times, I'd like to trade a decent prospect or an established veteran for another veteran.

Can someone clarify what "Favor Veteran" or "Favor Prospects" means to a human GM?

robc · 07-20-2011, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeS21

Can someone clarify this for me? If I set the AI trade setting to "Favor Veterans" does that mean the AI wants my veterans and will offer me prospects? Or do I assume they want my veterans and will offer me veterans because it assumes I "favor veterans"?

There are times - like for salary dumps, I'd love to trade a veteran in return for a decent prospect. But other times, I'd like to trade a decent prospect or an established veteran for another veteran.

Can someone clarify what "Favor Veteran" or "Favor Prospects" means to a human GM?

The AI will place more value on veterans.

PSUColonel · 07-21-2011, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by robc

The AI will place more value on veterans.

sometimes I wonder...I'm really starting to think the entire game (with limited exceptions) just uses real/true ratings for most every form of analysis it performs. Sorry once again to "pull back the curtain".

SFG · 07-21-2011, 04:00 AM

As others have voiced, I wouldn't mind seeing a level between Average and Hard.

robc · 07-21-2011, 11:13 PM

What do people use for the trading frequency?

In the past I used Low just because I read somewhere that anything higher results in too many trades, but I have no idea if it was good advice or not.

PSUColonel · 07-21-2011, 11:31 PM

I did too for some time, but I am now using very low...I feel it yields a more realistic number of trades

gregw1 · 07-22-2011, 12:23 AM

HMMMM......I used average / very hard / neutral in OOTP11 but bought it right before the release of 12 and never made it past 15 games into the season. I play out all my games pitch by pitch including minors. I never had the opportunity to attempt a serious trade.

When I upgraded to OOTP12 I kept these same settings and I can't get the AI to agree to anything. Offered my top 2 prospects including a left handed starter and my top 2 major leaguers for a 37 yo scrub and was turned down. All players offered were positions that showed a weakness too.

Now reading this I think I am going to change to average / hard / neutral.

Anyone else play with trading set to very hard and have the same problem.

Greg

MizzouRah · 07-22-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by robc

What do people use for the trading frequency?

In the past I used Low just because I read somewhere that anything higher results in too many trades, but I have no idea if it was good advice or not.

IMO, I think "low" is excellent.

07-20-2011, 01:35 PM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,106	Trade AI settings in OOTP 12 What setting do you find to be the most challenging and realistic combined? I am starting to think hard is not very realistic, and that average might be a better setting in OOTP 12. What do others think?

07-20-2011, 04:11 PM	#9
oman19 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Metro Detroit Area Posts: 1,343	I've always used Hard/Neutral in the past but after reading this thread I might give Average/Neutral a try. __________________ GENERATION 10: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment. My OOTP wishlist: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-wishlist.html

07-20-2011, 08:26 PM	#12
Aytumious Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 268	One of the unfortunate problems with the average setting is that you can often trade for a player and then immediately turn around and shop the newly acquired player for an even better player than was available with the guy you just traded. I understand logically why that is possible, but it does make it hard to leave the setting at average. Last edited by Aytumious; 07-20-2011 at 08:28 PM.

07-20-2011, 02:50 PM	#2
da commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 549	I use the Hard setting except during the winter meetings when I move it to Average. I have found it to be pretty difficult to get a decent trade at this setting, but I still find the Average setting too easy to rip off the AI, especially by trading expensive, on the decline old veterans for up and coming high potential prospects. It seems a little better than OOTP 11 but I'd still like a setting between the 2 (or make Average a little less easy).

07-20-2011, 02:59 PM	#3
reds1869 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cincinnati, OH, USA Posts: 258	In the past I've use hard, but this year I find Average to be more to my liking. I've made trades that are quite realistic and it is no longer as easy to fleece the AI.

07-20-2011, 03:01 PM	#4
james17 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,305	I use average...sometimes the A/I likes to rip me off now too and thats good as long as it doesn't happen too often.

07-20-2011, 03:07 PM	#5
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,850	I am using hard/neutral and I really like it. I still get some fair trades but it is really hard to fleece the AI.

07-20-2011, 03:42 PM	#6
Thundercrack All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 861	The hard in 12 is, in my opinion, significantly harder than in past versions. Haven't tried average yet but may have to make the switch.

07-20-2011, 03:55 PM	#7
hluraven Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 355	Probably hard, it is hard to make favourable trades on hard but not impossible. Average is maybe more "fun" as hard is sometimes hard work, but I think hard is more realistic. I always go for neutral as favor prospects makes it way too easy to get established major leaguers, including star players.

07-20-2011, 04:02 PM	#8
robc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,095	It is really hard to find a setting that is good all the time. In the past I used either Hard / Neutral or Very Hard / Neutral. In general, Very Hard is too restrictive and too many fair trades are rejected by the AI. Hard is better, but still suffers from this somewhat. I only do 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 trades, but some players the AI just undervalues and you can get a steal if you take it. If I am playing on Hard and I think I am getting too much of a steal, sometimes I will switch to Very Hard and see if the AI still accepts it.

07-20-2011, 10:16 PM	#13
MikeS21 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 276	Can someone clarify this for me? If I set the AI trade setting to "Favor Veterans" does that mean the AI wants my veterans and will offer me prospects? Or do I assume they want my veterans and will offer me veterans because it assumes I "favor veterans"? There are times - like for salary dumps, I'd love to trade a veteran in return for a decent prospect. But other times, I'd like to trade a decent prospect or an established veteran for another veteran. Can someone clarify what "Favor Veteran" or "Favor Prospects" means to a human GM?

07-21-2011, 04:00 AM	#16
SFG Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 50	As others have voiced, I wouldn't mind seeing a level between Average and Hard.

07-21-2011, 11:13 PM	#17
robc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,095	What do people use for the trading frequency? In the past I used Low just because I read somewhere that anything higher results in too many trades, but I have no idea if it was good advice or not.

07-21-2011, 11:31 PM	#18
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,106	I did too for some time, but I am now using very low...I feel it yields a more realistic number of trades

07-22-2011, 12:23 AM	#19
gregw1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 43	HMMMM......I used average / very hard / neutral in OOTP11 but bought it right before the release of 12 and never made it past 15 games into the season. I play out all my games pitch by pitch including minors. I never had the opportunity to attempt a serious trade. When I upgraded to OOTP12 I kept these same settings and I can't get the AI to agree to anything. Offered my top 2 prospects including a left handed starter and my top 2 major leaguers for a 37 yo scrub and was turned down. All players offered were positions that showed a weakness too. Now reading this I think I am going to change to average / hard / neutral. Anyone else play with trading set to very hard and have the same problem. Greg