Real transactions / lineups question.

[spacer15415]

Besides checking those 2 boxes do I have to have anything else set to use these features? I started a 1901 league and using baseball reference.com, transactions are not happening on the dates they say.

Thanks

[Charlie Hough]

No, you shouldn't need to do anything else. There is a another thread to post specific transactions that you find missing or that do not happen correctly. Providing specifics could help others determine if you there is an issue with your settings or if there are problems with the database.

[kingofdmv]

Is there any way to turn these two options off once I've created a league with them on? I want to start a league at 1901 and let it run for a while and take over a team. Kind of an alternate reality league! I just don't want to be hamstrung with trades and the like once I take over a team.

[Charlie Hough]

I would think these options are like almost all others. You can probably turn them off, but you might only be able to do it during the preseason period.

Then again, you might not even have to wait until then. Try it and find out.

[ctorg]

Ugh, I tried setting up a game in 1871 with these turned on. Unfortunately, I quickly found that teams were without enough players (under 9 guys). And it happens every year. The 19th century definitely needs to be fixed for this feature.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by ctorg

Ugh, I tried setting up a game in 1871 with these turned on. Unfortunately, I quickly found that teams were without enough players (under 9 guys). And it happens every year. The 19th century definitely needs to be fixed for this feature.

There are no as played schedules for that period provided with the game either. Those would involve odd numbers of teams in a few seasons, and teams dropping in and out of the league, both of which I do not think OOTP is able to handle properly just yet.

Hopefully that'll be on the slate for next year to finally get the 19th century fully operational without having to resort to various workarounds and compromises.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by ctorg

Ugh, I tried setting up a game in 1871 with these turned on. Unfortunately, I quickly found that teams were without enough players (under 9 guys). And it happens every year. The 19th century definitely needs to be fixed for this feature.

Another problem with using the feature in the 19th century is that there is no data for the real lineups available and real transactions are very spottily recorded (besides the fact that many real transactions turned out not to happen since players were not shy about signing a contract with more than one team). So, I really don't think this feature will EVER be suitable to 19th century baseball.

1919 is the first year when ALL the data is mostly available for a season, but the feature will not break a game started in 1901.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by spacer15415

Besides checking those 2 boxes do I have to have anything else set to use these features? I started a 1901 league and using baseball reference.com, transactions are not happening on the dates they say.

Thanks

Especially in the first season, transacations will not all happen exactly when they should, since the game starts on Opening Day and ALL players import to whatever team they played for first in that year, even if they didn't start playing for that team until later in the season.

After the first season, things should be much better.

[Gambo]

The historical transactions database starts in 1901, there are transaction in there for pre-1901 but it's pretty chaotic trying to run a league prior to that.

When you import a league 1984 lets say, the game date shows 1/1/1984 but in actuality the teams are setup for opening day of that year.

The players are on the team they started the season on and the transactions start from that day on.

That is why you don't see the transactions prior to 4/7/1984 or so. The game defaults to "Career Mode" so it starts 1/1 but if you set it to "Replay mode" it should start on opening day.

[Gambo]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Especially in the first season, transacations will not all happen exactly when they should, since the game starts on Opening Day and ALL players import to whatever team they played for first in that year, even if they didn't start playing for that team until later in the season.

After the first season, things should be much better.

What QD is talking about is if a player in your import year was signed by a team 5/22 and didn't play on another team prior to that, the way the database is set up it will import him to that team he was signed by on 5/22 instead of as a Free Agent.

The work around is to look at the transaction log and note these guys, go into commisioner mode and make them Free Agents.

OF course after the 1st season this will run smoothly.

[jduteau]

Originally Posted by Gambo

The historical transactions database starts in 1901

When does the historical lineups database start? I started a league in 1903 and it says that it successfully loaded historical lineups and pitchers for the opening day game, but they aren't the right lineup. I'm not that surprised since the normal sites don't have data for that year. I have data for that year from perusing newspaper boxscores.

Jean

[Gambo]

I believe it's 1919.

[spacer15415]

Thanks so much for clearing this up. Do I need to allow computer to make transactions or does it matter. I am one of the "weirdos that take control of all teams and make the transactions manually, and manage one team. It is going to be nice not to have to do this. If I "set all computer teams to allow AI roster changes, will they do other transactions or just the ones they should.

Once again thanks to everyone in this community that is always so helpful.

[Gambo]

With real transactions turned on the computer will only make the moves it's supposed to from the transaction database but if you do not have real lineups on it will move players from the reserve roster to the active roster as it chooses.

[swampdragon]

Does this mean we now have as-played schedules going back to 1901? Can I play with real transactions until 1919, using lineups from newspapers, and then switch over to as-played lineups in 1919, or do I just need to start in 1919 to use the feature?

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

Does this mean we now have as-played schedules going back to 1901?

Yes.

[swampdragon]

I'm impressed to see that the game has all of the starting pitchers back to 1901.

[spacer15415]

My original problem was because I imported a game from 11. I simmed 3 years and it never did a transaction on its own. I started a new game and it worked fine. Is this the way its suppose to work?

[Gambo]

When you imported your game from 11 you should have enabled real transactions in the league/historical options. I think it would have worked right.

[spacer15415]

I did enable it, I am wondering if it was that face I was using a Gambo/Spritze db? I'm not sure but its no big deal. I run 2 leagues at a time and 1 I am waiting till I can get one of your modded db's.